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Old 08-19-2019, 04:45 PM
 
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But at the lower level the biggest US PorK producer (Smithfield) is just one of a multitude of firms which is Chinese owned and run. Chinese own vast amounts of American farmlands...they are building many multi-billion dollar chemical complexes here.

Cool. Chinese assets to be seized in a full scale war.
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Old 08-19-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: AZ
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It doesn't prove or disprove anything except to show that prices increase for many reasons and you can't just attribute a price increase to a single factor.
That’s a blatant lie and you know it: the data is there and is based on a well-understood concept.

I’m not going to continue wasting my time explaining basic economics to the willfully ignorant.

Fortunately the tenets of free-market economics are not based upon one individual’s misguided attempts to ignore reality.
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Old 08-19-2019, 04:51 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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You will likely never know....and couldn't unless you were a journalist and spent years deconstructing shell companies.

We all know most high tech is Made there. So if "needs" including anything with a chip in it, including
cameras
cell phones
computers and tablets
internet routers
medical monitors and systems
automobile electronics
and much more....

are largely tied into China.

But at the lower level the biggest US PorK producer (Smithfield) is just one of a multitude of firms which is Chinese owned and run. Chinese own vast amounts of American farmlands...they are building many multi-billion dollar chemical complexes here.

We could go on for books worth...but that's just a small part.

You are effectively putting forth the idea that 100's of Billions of dollars worth of stuff used in the USA.....are not part of our "needs". That's fantastic.
Might want to check the official USTR list.
Cell phones are not affected by this upcoming tariff.
Cameras aren't on the list either.

Just where did you get your list from ?
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Just a little something for the economic illiterates who make up the vast majority of this thread:

https://mises.org/wire/how-look-tariffs-1
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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Might want to check the official USTR list.
Cell phones are not affected by this upcoming tariff.
Cameras aren't on the list either.

Just where did you get your list from ?
Said poster makes things up and ignores facts sometimes, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an answer. I already posted earlier in this thread the small % of consumer spending that actually goes to Chinese made goods.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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More fear mongering. LoL

Almost all of the tariffs cost are being absorbed by China right now. If China can't continue to adsorb the tariffs costs (they can't indefinitely), and prices rise, the supply chain shift out of China will accelerate. This is what China is desperately trying to avoid, and why they are willing to absorb the tariffs cost with direct subsidies, and in currency devaluation.

Make no mistake, we are winning the trade war.
Based upon what metrics, other than the unhinged rantings of "Unindicted Co-conspirator Number 1"?
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:32 PM
 
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Based upon what metrics, other than the unhinged rantings of "Unindicted Co-conspirator Number 1"?
China devalued their currency because they're winning?
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Amazed at the silence that your post generated. I do understand that this might be bad news to everyone that actually believed that Trump's tariffs would never affect their pocketbook.

Maybe in their mind, $1000 a years is a small price to pay to "make America great again" (in other words, poorer).

Or, I guess they might decide that J.P. Morgan is simply sending out "fake news".

Somehow they will twist this into a positive, prepare to be entertained.
$1000? Thats chump change compared to the massive burden Obummer saddled every American with when that jackazz increased our unfunded liability by $10 trillion dollars..
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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That’s a blatant lie and you know it: the data is there and is based on a well-understood concept.

I’m not going to continue wasting my time explaining basic economics to the willfully ignorant.

Fortunately the tenets of free-market economics are not based upon one individual’s misguided attempts to ignore reality.

Saying that prices increase for many reasons is a blatant lie? You're the one wasting our time with your politically-biased agenda economics that ignore the longstanding tenets of economics that have seen prices rise for multitudes of factors, even in the complete absence of tariffs. The intellectually deficient and dishonest approach you have espoused and supported is revolting. Good riddance to you.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:43 PM
 
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The truth of the matter is that China is absorbing almost all of the costs of the tariffs, that's a fact.
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Proof?
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