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Old 08-21-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
More like debt mills.

Only 60% graduated college after 6 years there..2011-2017
Open admission college..graduation rate was 31%
Selective admission college..graduation rate was 87%

All those that dropped out have loans to pay off. They didn't graduate so they won't get those good paying jobs.
You have data that shows "all those who dropped out have loans to pay off"?

Please link us to it.

I know dozens of people who went to college and left....I can't think of one that has debt from it, but it might be so on the fringes. Many of these people are very successful....they just decided that they wanted to get started in life and didn't have want to invest the years...which is fine.

Failure is as big - or bigger - a teacher as success is.

 
Old 08-21-2019, 04:05 PM
 
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You don't seem to want to address the problems that have developed. I don't think I included anything about liberal arts in them.

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Thanks for your opinion........

Unfortunately for you, history shows many of the advancements of mankind were created by people who "think outside the box".....you know, like....

"Steve Jobs touted the importance of liberal arts and humanities at the unveiling of the iPad 2: ďItís in Appleís DNA that technology alone is not enough ó itís technology married with liberal arts, married with the humanities, that yields us the result that makes our heart sing, and nowhere is that more true than in these post-PC devices"

"although a degree made a big difference in the success of an entrepreneur, the field it was in and the school that it was from were not significant factors. YouTube chief executive Susan Wojcicki, for instance, majored in history and literature; Slack founder Stewart Butterfield in English; Airbnb founder Brian Chesky in the fine arts. And, in China, Alibaba chief executive Jack Ma has a bachelorís in English."

Hmmm.....are you more accomplished than Jack Ma or Wojcicki?

If so I am ready to throw out facts and my personal opinion and considers yours....
 
Old 08-21-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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You have data that shows "all those who dropped out have loans to pay off"?

Please link us to it.

I know dozens of people who went to college and left....I can't think of one that has debt from it, but it might be so on the fringes. Many of these people are very successful....they just decided that they wanted to get started in life and didn't have want to invest the years...which is fine.

Failure is as big - or bigger - a teacher as success is.
Why I bet you know all those that dropped out and none had loans.

No I don't have a link so go ahead and assume none of them had loans. They all footed the bills out of their own pockets.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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Why I bet you know all those that dropped out and none had loans.

No I don't have a link so go ahead and assume none of them had loans. They all footed the bills out of their own pockets.
More likely, their parents are carrying the loans.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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More likely, their parents are carrying the loans.
Can't seem to find more recent data.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colle...b0746f56485923
Perhaps not a surprise, 63 percent of defaulted student loans are from those who dropped out before graduation.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:40 PM
 
Location: southern california
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If itís not teaching you anything except a bunch of hostile negative thinking
Itís not higher education
@$126 a unit? what a rip off
And zero job placement
70% of star bucks clerks are college grads
$9.60 the predominant wage
85% of employment is attitude and colleges are preparing you to be unemployable
 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island NY
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You have data that shows "all those who dropped out have loans to pay off"?

Please link us to it.

I know dozens of people who went to college and left....I can't think of one that has debt from it, but it might be so on the fringes. Many of these people are very successful....they just decided that they wanted to get started in life and didn't have want to invest the years...which is fine.

Failure is as big - or bigger - a teacher as success is.
I know some young people who left college. They donít have any college loans to repay. Their co-signers (mostly parents) now have college loans to repay.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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A BA or BS degree today is the equivalent of a high school education forty years ago. The education industry is a rip off. Nothing to do with actual learning or usefulness any more.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:09 PM
 
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Can't seem to find more recent data.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colle...b0746f56485923
Perhaps not a surprise, 63 percent of defaulted student loans are from those who dropped out before graduation.
No, not surprising.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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I wish my mom shared the view of this 59% so that I wouldn’t have to go to college.
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