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Except that capitalism doesn’t require violence to implement.
Capitalism needs as much violence as communism. War of Vietnam, dictatorship and coups in Latin America, genocide in Indonesia are only a few examples.
You are polluting an intelligent discussion.
Marxism still appeals to the masses because it questions exploitation of workers by the upper class. That it grossly failed doesn't change the increasing grievances of the majority.
Remember in a capitalist society aka free society, people CHOOSE to live in poverty.
That is a silly statement. Capitalist does not mean free at all. It only means a high level of economic freedom, which is good for some, and bad for others. But it doesn't say much about the other types of freedom.
Nor is freedom a goal in itself. Too much freedom can be detrimental. Freedom needs to be limited because humans are by nature egoistic beasts.
And the rest of your sentence is a common error based on simplistic thinking, at best. Most poor people do not at all choose to live in poverty. That erroneous thinking is just a cheap pretext for shedding social responsibility.
People are dumb. Why are so many people falling into the even stupider ideology of Trumpism? Most people on earth are uneducated, naive and easily misled.
Why do you think education is the enemy of populists? Populism, whether on the Right or Left, is under threat when people are educated and informed.
For example a factory through the power of the gov, being able to call the police to force workers to work. That same factory taking pay from employees when equipment breaks or whenever the factory feels like it. Colluding with other employers to blackmail employees into continuing working. Not paying for weeks, even months with zero consequence because there are now laws that require it, or are seldom enforced, etc, etc. I mean hell, slavery existed in the US under capitalism.
You are viewing things through the lenses of today, with our heavily regulated market economy. Back then in many countries, it was not like this at all.
You honestly think if everything was rosy that people would have tossed that all aside and engaged in violent revolutions to install a new system? If people are happy, they will live under a dictatorship for all they care, many do even now and are fine with it, and many live quite nice.
Think about it, if you have to employ violence to implement your idea, it’s must be an evil idea.
You clearly have thought this through. Implication of any system of criminal law rests on the use of violence or threat of violence by those in the position of authority. Would you say that having a system of law is evil?
In a capitalist system what is stopping the poor from plundering the rich? Threat and implication of violence. Thus according to you, Capitalism must be an evil idea.
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
You can’t name one communist policy that doesn’t require violence to implement.
Funny, because that's the same excuse the Marxists have been using: The ideology is perfect, it's just not applied correctly. As long as you get to compare the rosy ideal that only exists in your mind with the grim facts of actual reality, the ideal wins out. Daydreams can outpace reality every day of the week, can't they? We have seen the results of unfettered capitalism, thankyouverymuch.
Capitalism/anarchy aren't "applied". It exists as the default setting of a human at birth. It exists without pride or prejudice. It doesn't reward or punish.
Born into poverty with no moral/logical binding agreements the offspring must rely on charity for survival until the individual can assert his natural rights to engage in freedom of movement, freedom of association, and consensual agreement. At this time the individual must either work or receive charity to live. Or the individual may choose to die if that's his/her wish.
What your conundrum is, as is the case with all statists, is that despite knowing this paradigm as truth you simply invent an alternate reality (the social contract giving way to the State) due to laziness, intellectual dishonesty, and moral dishonesty.
We've never seen unfettered capitalism. Even in "black market" transactions the product, pricing, and labor have all been artificially manipulated by the State market.
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