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Old 04-02-2021, 11:39 AM
 
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That's a stretch if you ask me. There's nothing like that even remotely in the system. I think this is just a way to scare people.
They do it in China. Chinese need to provide their code to get into a grocery store.
People who say "It can't happen here" need to see the big picture and danger of this. We are just now starting to get our freedoms back. So let's say two years from now the virus is gone. You don't think they'll come up with other uses for this "passport"? Think again. The control is freaking dangerous.

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Old 04-02-2021, 11:44 AM
 
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Cept that there is no truth to the Biden Admin “ rolling this out”.

Dr Wolf seems to increasingly project somewhat of an unhinged persona, prone to conspiracy theories.

Biden Admin is looking at standards for a digital vaccine certificate AND made clear the Federal Government would not maintain or monitor.

Right now, there is a digital record of vaccine minimally at the county level.

Recipients are given a hard copy verification form which varies by and within county, depending on who gave the shot. Such forms are easy to counterfeit.

Israel a very small country with a population of 9 million and limited healthcare facilities has imposed some of the strongest restrictions in the world, including closing international airports to all inbound and outbound flights. All restrictions have been fully supported by Netanyahu.

As of right now, Israel has the highest rate of vaccinated population in the world. It paid more and got more vaccine.

Now the hard part- persuading those who are reluctant to vaccinate which generally speaking, tend to be certain, not all, Ultra- Orthodox groups. The infection/ hospitalization/ fatality rate among this sub population is disproportionate to its population.

As I understand it, businesses that by their nature involve close human to human contact, are limited to those with proof of vaccine.

There is no question, the public activities of certain Ultra- Orthodox groups are being monitored in Israel given such groups routinely ignore limitations on gatherings and isolation when sick. This has put continued and ongoing pressure on the Israeli healthcare system to the near breaking point.

And Israelis are profoundly disturbed about what has been forced upon them.
Israelis Cry Out to the World to Stop Mandatory COVID Injections as Lawsuit Is Filed in International Criminal Court Over Nuremberg Code Violation


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International Penal Court accept the lawsuit against Pfizer illegal experimental trial in Israel, violating the Nuremberg Code

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Old 04-02-2021, 11:47 AM
 
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Exactly. That horse left the barn a long time ago. This is just another thing for some to promote fear-mongering over to justify that they don't want to be vaccinated.
They don't need justification for not wanting to be vaccinated. Maybe it is difference in political mindsets that you think someone needs an excuse to "justify" defending personal freedoms and choice.
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Old 04-02-2021, 11:48 AM
 
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Exactly. That horse left the barn a long time ago. This is just another thing for some to promote fear-mongering over to justify that they don't want to be vaccinated.

I have always been against the Patriot Act. One person can't abolish it. I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Old 04-02-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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Naomi Wolf, who is a leftist, pretty much said the same thing--that China is being held up as the model for how to handle the whole Coronavirus. She also said in the video in my OP that the vaccine passport is the same thing as China's social credit system.
Oh thank you for explaining since I haven't taken the time to watch the video yet but I will. Yes, they have a credit system and one's entire health record is on their phone passport. There are 5G towers every block and video cameras watching every move of people. They have built a monstrosity, and have accumulated a database that no other country in the world has now, but that's where we're headed.

Tech companies are learning these techniques from the Chinese they hire.
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Old 04-02-2021, 12:00 PM
 
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I'm happy to take a booster every year. Since Pfizer is effective for six months, doubt that a four week booster would be required.

I'm happy to show my card at the grocery store or wherever I travel. Not a big deal.

People get so upset over things that are minor. With the problems we are all facing in this country, climate change included, showing a vaccine card is the least of my worries.
What if it's every week? Still OK with it?

What if YOUR doctor can't get the vaccine? And your card is out of date? No food for you?

How much of your freedom are you willing to give up? Everything? For what?

Thinking freedom is 'minor' shows you truly do not understand what is at stake here.

It has nothing to do with a vaccine and everything to do with CONTROL.
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Old 04-02-2021, 12:05 PM
 
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Democrats be like, "Show me your papers please!! Your papers!! Now!! We demand that you prove who you are and prove that you've done what you were told to do!!" But when it's time to vote, "Why in the world would we ask you to prove that you are who you claim to be?? If you say you're John Smith, then we believe you without reservation."
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Old 04-02-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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Again, do you have ideas on what these views might be or how the government may want to punish you? I gotta tell you, I've seen some pretty crazy views and actions out there over the last few years, and the government has done precious little to stop them.
Taking 15 minutes to simply watch the video would be helpful.
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Old 04-02-2021, 12:11 PM
 
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Yep. They think no one will notice they’re anti-vaxxers if they screech about “freedom and privacy”. The fact that other mandates don’t bother them a bit gives it away.
Did you watch the video yet or did you just come here to screech about “anti-vaxxers” and make things up about people not being bothered about other mandates?
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Old 04-02-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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Did you watch the video yet or did you just come here to screech about “anti-vaxxers” and make things up about people not being bothered about other mandates?
It's their defense mechanism. I think they can't process it so they pretend this is nothing. Those are the types that go along with whatever is sold so they don't have to think for themselves or face a negative reality slapping them in the face. Watching the video won't do anything to shift that mentality.
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