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View Poll Results: Do you see America headed towards enclavism ?
Yes, positive trend 13 21.67%
Yes, but negative trend 11 18.33%
No, but would be positive 4 6.67%
No, and good to avoid 32 53.33%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-18-2021, 09:55 AM
 
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you dont have

DEAR GOD WHAT BLITHERING IDIOT CAME UP WITH THIS TRASH??????????????


As an option so i cant vote
Enclavism is just people building communities around identity based in-groups. I don't see how that is complex or confusing?
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:31 PM
 
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Enclavism is just people building communities around identity based in-groups. I don't see how that is complex or confusing?
We had that in the past...they were called deed restrictions or deed covenants that required that the real estate property could only be sold to people of certain ethnicities or could not be sold to people of certain other ethnicities or race.

Such deed covenants were struck down by the SCOTUS 1948 ruling in Shelley v Kraemer as a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. Deeds could have such covenants, but they were unenforceable.

It appears that some in the Alternate Right movement are trying to bring back segregation, but they feel the need to invent a new term to disguise their efforts.

Last edited by djmilf; 11-18-2021 at 01:02 PM.. Reason: Equal Protection 'Clause', not Equal Protection 'Law'
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:38 PM
 
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As things stand this seems where America is headed?


California’s Future of Pan-Enclavism:


https://robertstark.substack.com/p/c...-pan-enclavism



"Pan-Enclavism calls for a serious of homogenous and semi-autonomous communities that are part of a broader multi-ethnic and multi-cultural patchwork. It encourages neighborhoods to think of themselves as a people with shared bonds and it celebrates and supports existing ethnic and immigrant enclaves. It also calls for those who don’t currently take part in enclavism to emulate diasporas in creating their own enclaves, for building communities based on an identity, for freedom of association as the main principle, for the creation of opt-in groups, places value in people having these groups to help fulfill their personal needs, and opposes primary loyalty to mass society. These enclaves could be based upon an ethnic background but are flexible in that they could be multi-ethnic communities of people with shared values, such as politics, religion, culture, or aesthetic preference. It calls for thinking in terms of an area as a community that serves its residents rather than just a place to live and work with the added benefit of a balance in political and economic power. There are some similarities to Ethnopluralism."

https://robertstark.substack.com/p/alt-center-lexicon


"A future of enclavism in California could either be many people emulating the existing immigrant diaspora model within the current legal framework, freedom of association under a Neighborhood Freedom Amendment in the State Constitution, or a millet system. Under this scenario enclaves would be able to build up for their people without the concerns of whether they have to keep out or accommodate outsiders."

https://robertstark.substack.com/p/a...ism-compatible
This is a ridiculous word salad.

Why don't they just say, "We're NIMBYs", because that's what it sounds like. Or kids who build a fort and then tell other kids that they can't come in.

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Smart Socialism

Smart Socialism believes that state intervention in the economy should prioritize the efficient allocation of resources, specialization based economic policies, and investing in those with the most potential rather than redistributing downwards form the most to the least productive, which could also include absentee ownership. Even if certain policies may require some top down power, these principles apply to more decentralized models such as pan-enclavism and neo-tribalism.
Nope, can't take this person seriously. He wants an echo chamber and government handouts for his 'potential' not actual results.

Barf.

No.
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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Most of the major metros are already broken up into enclaves of each and every race.

SoCal alone has Chinese SGV, Armenian nabes llike Glendale, Rich light skinned Beverly Hills, Brown skinned Anaheim, Black Inglewood, and Koreatown.

NYC has same thing.
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:37 PM
 
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Enclavism, as someone pointed out, is just a euphemistic way of saying 'segregation.'

We're seeing plenty of movement to segregation from the left, such as racially segregated college grad ceremonies and so forth. Lefties will deny it, but duckduckgo turns up dozens of examples of the new segregation.

Despite this, I'm an optimist. The masses of Americans don't buy into segregation.
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:40 PM
 
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I hope so.
Why?
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:43 PM
 
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Having classes of people separated by train tracks worked. People with similar backgrounds and finances lived on their own side and only interacted for commerce.
If it was working out so well, why were laws and legalized discrimination needed to enforce it? And why were people like Dr. King fighting against it? I'm glad the days of Jim Crow and legalized segregation/discrimination are over with.

Something else. Why would I want to return to those old days? What's in it for me?
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Old 11-18-2021, 03:16 PM
 
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Is this like "separate but equal"?
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Old 11-18-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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We had that in the past...they were called deed restrictions or deed covenants that required that the real estate property could only be sold to people of certain ethnicities or could not be sold to people of certain other ethnicities or race.

Such deed covenants were struck down by the SCOTUS 1948 ruling in Shelley v Kraemer as a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. Deeds could have such covenants, but they were unenforceable.

It appears that some in the Alternate Right movement are trying to bring back segregation, but they feel the need to invent a new term to disguise their efforts.
What about freedom of association? It is the idea that individuals can chose who they sell to, rent to, do business with, even if based upon ingroup identity?
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Old 11-18-2021, 04:47 PM
 
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Is this like "separate but equal"?
Ideally it should be but segregation of the past wasn't an equal partnership. Hopefully we will learn from past mistakes if we chose to implement enclavism in the future.
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