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absolutely banning abortion would increase poverty. Increasing access to IUD's alone saved colorado tons of money that would have been going towards Medicaid births.
It doesn't matter what income group people who have abortions are in, or the proportion in each. I have yet to find any analysis, study or other finding that would show that outlawing abortion would decrease poverty. An unplanned pregnancy is far more likely to decrease a woman's socioeconomic status than increase it. So if she starts out at 500% of poverty level perhaps she ends up at 400%. And to the subject of the thread, women who were at 125% may end up at 85%, below poverty. And an unplanned pregnancy of a woman living in poverty who keeps her baby means another person in poverty.
One very clear indication of this is the effect of an unplanned pregnancy on teenagers and the impact on the likelihood they will graduate high school. From the CDC: "Pregnancy and birth are significant contributors to high school dropout rates among girls. Only about 50% of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by 22 years of age, whereas approximately 90% of women who do not give birth during adolescence graduate from high school." https://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/about/index.htm. People who fail to finish high school have less earning potential than those that do.
It is perfectly OK to argue a moral point about abortion being wrong for those that believe it while still acknowledging that it is very difficult to argue prohibiting abortions will likely increase the number of people living in poverty.
So you're hanging your hat on teenagers who seek an abortion. How much income do you think they have? They're likely to fall in the lowest income groups which actually have a much higher rate of delivering their babies instead of aborting them. Of those with unintended pregnancies who earn poverty level or below, 91.4% deliver their babies. From 100%-200% poverty level that increases to 92.2%.
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That is one set of statistics that can be used, if you're trying to falsely claim that most abortions are performed on wealthy women. 49% of abortions are for women below the poverty level, and another 26% are for women at 1 to 2 times the poverty level. BTW, the poverty level for a single woman is an astonishingly low $13,590.
So almost 2/3 of abortions are preventing additional people from being born into extreme poverty.
I doubt it. The US poverty rate is only 11.4% yet nearly half of all US births are paid for by Medicaid with the consequent mothers and their babies on WIC, etc., which are all public assistance programs for the poor.
So you're hanging your hat on teenagers who seek an abortion. How much income do you think they have? They're likely to fall in the lowest income groups which actually have a much higher rate of delivering their babies instead of aborting them. Of those with unintended pregnancies who earn poverty level or below, 91.4% deliver their babies. From 100%-200% poverty level that increases to 92.2%.
Once again, you focus on a single thing in a post and argue someone is basing his/her entire argument on it, despite the fact that something is offered up as an example.
One of the points I am trying to make about the statistics that you have posted 20+ times here is that they are not particularly relevant to the question of the thread. With respect to the question of the thread, the income level of women seeking abortions at the time they seek them is irrelevant. As an example, a teenager is living at home and be living at 300% of the poverty level at the time she becomes pregnant. If the teenager has the baby, she is more likely to drop out of high school that if she does not have the baby. If she drops out of high school she will have less earning power and more likely to live under the poverty level as an adult, thus increasing poverty.
Having an unplanned child as an adult does not increase your socioeconomic position either. A simple example: A single woman is earning $16,500 per year. She is over the poverty level, because poverty for a household of one person is $12,880. She has an unplanned pregnancy and is prohibited from getting an abortion. If she keeps the baby, instead of one person living above the poverty line, there are now two people living below it since poverty level for a household of two persons is $17,420.
Once again, you focus on a single thing in a post and argue someone is basing his/her entire argument on it, despite the fact that something is offered up as an example.
One of the points I am trying to make about the statistics that you have posted 20+ times here is that they are not particularly relevant to the question of the thread. With respect to the question of the thread, the income level of women seeking abortions at the time they seek them is irrelevant. As an example, teenagers may be living at home and be living at 300% ofthe povertyy level at the time they become pregnant. If the teenager has the baby, she is more likely to drop out of high school that if she does not have the baby. If she drops out of high school she will have less earning power and more likely to live under the poverty level as an adult, thus increasing poverty.
Having an unplanned child as an adult does not increase your socioeconomic position either. A simple example: A single woman is earning $16,500 per year. She is over the poverty level, because poverty for a household of one person is $12,880. She has an unplanned pregnancy and is prohibited from getting an abortion. If she keeps the baby, instead of one person living above the poverty line, there are now two people living below it since poverty level for a household of two persons is $17,420.
NONE of what you're saying changes the FACT that lower income women, those who would benefit the most from choosing abortion for financial reasons, deliver their babies at MUCH higher rates than do women in the highest income group. Let's review the stats:
Abortion Rates by Income Level for Women with Unintended Pregnancies
NONE of what you're saying changes the FACT that lower income women, those who would benefit the most from choosing abortion for financial reasons, deliver their babies at MUCH higher rates than do women in the highest income group. Let's review the stats:
Abortion Rates by Income Level for Women with Unintended Pregnancies
Abortion is a high-income convenience privilege much more so than a method to reduce poverty.
Others have argued the veracity of the small scale study you have been asserting, so I won't r4iterate that. I'm not arguing against the figures you keep quoting. I'm saying that the figures are irrelevant with respect to the question being debated in this thread.
Others have argued the veracity of the small scale study you have been asserting. I'm not arguing against the figures you keep quoting. I'm saying that the figures are irrelevant with respect to the question being debated in this thread.
ALL studies are small scale, a statistical representation of the whole as it's not possible to track every incident when conducting a study.
And I'm saying the figures ARE relevant. It's quite clear that women in the lower income groups DON'T consider abortion to be a means of reducing poverty. They choose abortion at a MUCH lower rate.
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