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In spite of the very legitimate issues outlined re EVs, your characterization of them is just stupid. They are an emerging technology that are currently exceptionally well suited for daily commuting…driving to work, taking the kids to school, picking up groceries, etc. For the vast majority of drivers, this meets the 90%+ of their driving needs. Currently, taking long road trips with an EV is not for the feint of heart, but fast charging stations are going to become more available as time marches on, batteries will last longer reducing the need for charging stops, economies of scale will push the cost of EVs down, etc. The industry is in its infancy much like home access to AOL was the pre-cursor to home internet access. Give it 10 more years, and your ignorant lack of vision will be apparent.
I agree basically with what you are saying.
The problem is is that there doesn't seem to be a measured and engineered approach to all of this over a time frame. You can't just turn off the spigot. The infrastructure for mass use of EV vehicles is not in place.
Biden has openly stated that they're going to wean off of oil. They don't appear to be approaching it from a cohesive way.
They are just making life more difficult than it needs to be on people right now.
We can't even keep the lights on here in CA, how the hell are we going to add millions of EV vehicles to the grid. Again, the smart people need to figure this all out and get the politicians the hell away from it.
Government mandates and Central Planning are another matter entirely. They have a solid history of waste, fraud, and abuse. It would be far better to let the market decide what vehicles we'll have access to, vs. safe-jobs-for-life bureaucrats who have no skin in the game. No skin, but OTOH they have an active delusional system.
I guess you are in favor of dismantling the interstate highway system (centrally planned) in favor of having thousands of miles of privately developed and owned toll roads which people can use on a pay as you drive basis. I guess the same could be said for all of the centrally planned infrastructure used to support commercial aviation….get rid of the FAA control towers and have the United Pilots whip out a credit card in mid flight to get landing instructions from the Amazon built (but privately run) control tower.
The problem is is that there doesn't seem to be a measured and engineered approach to all of this over a time frame. You can't just turn off the spigot. The infrastructure for mass use of EV vehicles is not in place.
Biden has openly stated that they're going to wean off of oil. They don't appear to be approaching it from a cohesive way.
They are just making life more difficult than it needs to be on people right now.
We can't even keep the lights on here in CA, how the hell are we going to add millions of EV vehicles to the grid. Again, the smart people need to figure this all out and get the politicians the hell away from it.
I don’t take any exceptions to your point that the entire endeavor might be better thought out….like most things, it’s often easier to look back and say we should have done “x” instead. My criticism is more directed at the completely ignorant statement made by the OP who just trashed the whole premise of EVs based on their admittedly more tenuous use for long road trips.
Quick story. Last week I was camping in west Texas. At the camp ground there are electric pedestals for the campers to plug into for electricity. Well there was a big storm in the mountains and it knocked out the electricity to the whole area. It was about 6PM so the sun wasnt down.
This guy in a Tesla pulls into the camp ground and into a empty camping site. He gets out and plugs his car in. I guess he didnt know the power was out. We are all looking/laughing at him. I walk over to him to let him know the power is out and has been for about a hr. He is totally out of charge. He shrugged it off and said ok it should come on soon. I said , maybe, have a nice day. Time goes on, 9PM still no power. Storm is coming in now. Around 12am I go to bed, he is still there and still no power. 7-8am I get up, still no power LOL and he is laying on the picnic table. around 10am power comes on but he had to hang out for a little while to get some charge.
Cool story. Heres a fun fact. Most gas stations cant pump gas when the power is out either.
In spite of the very legitimate issues outlined re EVs, your characterization of them is just stupid. They are an emerging technology that are currently exceptionally well suited for daily commuting…driving to work, taking the kids to school, picking up groceries, etc. For the vast majority of drivers, this meets the 90%+ of their driving needs.
And yet ownership of electric vehicles is still a tiny fraction of the market, and you got bozos like Biden saying we need to buy them right now. Right now.
Take a look around: Inflation, high gas prices, rising crime, and an electorate that absolutely HATES Joe Biden. Latest Rasmussen poll has the Republicans with a 9 point advantage on the generic ballot.
Why doncha tell us about what's "stupid" after November 8th....K?
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We'll see what you have to say about that in a few years when the rolling blackouts are common.We do not have the grid capable of handling that massive of a load. But go ahead and keep that head buried in the sand.
I've never viewed an electric car as a good option for someone who's fond of road trips, but for someone like me, a person whose driving amounts to local errands a couple of times a week, an electric car is perfect, especially because I can charge it using solar energy. For a road trip, however, I'd rent a gas-powered vehicle.
- Yes, and who gets to pay for those "public" charging stations? But what about all of the Private stations? Landlords would have to put in a charging station for each unit they have. While a private homeowner can put in a port for $500-$700, an average Charging station they would have to put in is going to be $5,000-$10,000, not including any possible infrastructure upgrades they may be required to do.
Well never say never. A few decades ago people bought Betamax recorders because they thought that was the way to go over VHS and I am sure we're saying the same thing about their "better" machines. Well not only didn't Betamax stick around, but we are also well past VHS and even DVDs.
But even if EVs aren't going anywhere, they are still not ready for "Prime Time". We are at least a couple of decades away from the technology and infrastructure being built up to make them a reasonable alternative to a majority of people.
Actually many are doing just that. The average battery costs around $10,000 to replace. It is often more cost-effective and cheaper for someone to "Toss them out" instead of putting the money in to replace the battery.
Score one for EVs.
EV batteries last a good 10 years or more so $10,000 to replace a battery pack is no different from spending $10,000 to replace your car's engine after 10 years. We can argue all day about how long each lasts, but the point is most people won't replace either. They will replace the entire car.
On this one point, and this one point only, I don't think EV battery replacement is a pratical problem or disincentive to buy a BEV. It is not as if EV batteries only last 4 years.
In spite of the very legitimate issues outlined re EVs, your characterization of them is just stupid. They are an emerging technology that are currently exceptionally well suited for daily commuting…driving to work, taking the kids to school, picking up groceries, etc. For the vast majority of drivers, this meets the 90%+ of their driving needs. Currently, taking long road trips with an EV is not for the feint of heart, but fast charging stations are going to become more available as time marches on, batteries will last longer reducing the need for charging stops, economies of scale will push the cost of EVs down, etc. The industry is in its infancy much like home access to AOL was the pre-cursor to home internet access. Give it 10 more years, and your ignorant lack of vision will be apparent.
Exactly. My college roommate came back to school after Christmas in 1969 with a hand held calculator that could add, subtract, multiply, divide, and calculate a square root or a percentage. That was the extent of its capability. His father bought it for him since he was an engineering student, and paid nearly $800 dollars for it.
Today they might as well be Cracker Jack prizes. I bought two graphing calcs at Big Lots a couple of months ago for two bucks apiece. Same thing will happen with EVs.
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