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Old 06-24-2022, 11:36 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell View Post
Where as people suggest that folks outta think about if they can afford children, before doing the deed. Maybe people should think about if they can afford the drive to abortion clinics, before doing the deed. You know, have sex responsibly, just like not driving when you're drunk. That way, no one gets hurt. Just a thought.
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If you think she is so lacking in responsibility, why do you want to force her to be responsible for a tiny human she doesn't want in the first place? How does that make any sense at all?
Is it the tiny little person's fault? Adoption is always a solution to an unwanted pregnancy. I was given up. I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.

 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:36 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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One more time ---- the u.s. has a TFR of 1.64, everyone is going to manage just fine.
There are 13 million children in the US who live with food insecurity. They aren't managing just fine.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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and there will be some that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl is underage and the man isn't?
You are making some big assumptions - abortions are not being outlawed and these possibilities already existed - not everyone in these situations got abortions as it was. Many if not most of these can be handled by such things as Plan B pills that are not even prescription and are available for free in many places.

As far as Texas, their law has been in effect for almost a year - has it caused any issues yet?

Also - what about stiffer penalties, against mothers if they don't tell the father and leave him out of the decision - does he not get any say? Or rape charges if the guy is underage and the girl is not - why do you think it only goes one way?
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:39 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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One more time ---- the u.s. has a TFR of 1.64, everyone is going to manage just fine.
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There are 13 million children in the US who live with food insecurity. They aren't managing just fine.
And if one or more grow up to be POTUS they can not only live to tell the tale, but also fix what is broken.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:41 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Is it the tiny little person's fault? Adoption is always a solution to an unwanted pregnancy. I was given up. I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.
Adoption is not a panacea; please don't pretend otherwise. The trauma around adoption is very real.

I am also an adoptee. If my birth mom had chosen to abort me, I'd have never known. The same is true for everyone.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:42 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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And if one or more grow up to be POTUS they can not only live to tell the tale, but also fix what is broken.
Right, let them eat cake.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:43 PM
 
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You didn't answer my question. Do you posit morality to be subjective? Yes or No?
I did answer your question, you just don't like my answer.

I'll try to provide an answer that is more in your wheelhouse.

I believe that believing that equating what Jesus says to be objective morality is subjective. It's a belief/your belief. It isn't a fact.

It's a philosophical question.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:46 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Is it the tiny little person's fault? Adoption is always a solution to an unwanted pregnancy. I was given up. I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.
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Adoption is not a panacea; please don't pretend otherwise. The trauma around adoption is very real.

I am also an adoptee. If my birth mom had chosen to abort me, I'd have never known. The same is true for everyone.
And you think that a person living with the knowing they killed their unborn child is a walk in the park? Maybe for some, but not for everyone. Don't pretend otherwise.

If I had died at birth, no I would not have known, but I do know, because I lived; I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:49 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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And if one or more grow up to be POTUS they can not only live to tell the tale, but also fix what is broken.
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Right, let them eat cake.
optimism is not your forte --- too much doom and gloom.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 11:53 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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And you think that a person living with the knowing they killed their unborn child is a walk in the park? Maybe for some, but not for everyone. Don't pretend otherwise.

If I had died at birth, no I would not have known, but I do know, because I lived; I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.
I think that a woman who believes having an abortion equates to killing a child is not likely to get one. I'm not pretending anything.

I hope no woman EVER has to resort to a coat hanger. Others, however, seem to be delighted at the prospect.
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