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The problem is the man has choices, a pregnant woman now has very few Baby daddy can beat feet, work under the table and never pay a penny in support of his child, he can decide to be a weekend daddy where mom has the child 24-7 except for a few hours on the weekend when daddy decides to take the kid to the park. In my opinion, if abortion is banned the father should be identified by DNA before the baby is born and he should be equally responsible with the mother for the baby both before and after it is born.
OK, apart from the female partner being able to abort the child, put the child up for adoption, abandon the child or keep the child while the baby daddy coughs up half his paycheck for the next 18 years, what would change?
Going underground is not a very attractive alternative to paying child support and it is the only choice the male partner gets after the deed is done.
Personally, I have no problem with holding males responsible for what they do.
This is the norm.
It is also the norm that females are treated like children that cannot be held responsible for their actions.
OK, apart from the female partner being able to abort the child, put the child up for adoption, abandon the child or keep the child while the baby daddy coughs up half his paycheck for the next 18 years, what would change?
Going underground is not a very attractive alternative to paying child support and it is the only choice the male partner gets after the deed is done.
Personally, I have no problem with holding males responsible for what they do.
This is the norm.
It is also the norm that females are treated like children that cannot be held responsible for their actions.
It is also the norm that females are treated like children that cannot be held responsible for their actions. That is the most disgusting comment I have read here in a long time and I have read some pretty foul stuff.
Yeah, we know that's the bass-ackwards thinking of the far left. They prove it daily. It's wrong but I realize arguing with you over it is pointless.
That is what any attorney will tell you. Doesn’t matter the political affiliation. If you find your way around a contract, the constitution, an IRS rule, a prenup, a brankruptcy filing, an employment dispute, …. It is legal.
That is the way the law works. Part of being a good lawyer is to find the argument that makes it legal.
Maybe you just know bad lawyers who don’t work hard for their clients.
Women are terrified. Even republican women get abortions so stop with the leftists stuff. No one cares about them or their circumstances anymore. It's an agonizing decision to make and very personal. Men could never understand this. You just want babies born.
Well, yes, in the context of the abortion debate, that's exactly what people like myself who describe themselves as "pro-life" want.
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui
Pro choice is driven by a woman being able to make her own choices in life, just as a man does.
Maybe if more women would choose to properly use birth control -- or, better yet, choose to not have sex with men whom they have no intention of making a life with -- the whole abortion thing would be a much smaller issue. By the way, lest you think I'm misogynist, I would say the exact same thing about men.
That is what any attorney will tell you. Doesn’t matter the political affiliation. If you find your way around a contract, the constitution, an IRS rule, a prenup, a brankruptcy filing, an employment dispute, …. It is legal.
That is the way the law works. Part of being a good lawyer is to find the argument that makes it legal.
Maybe you just know bad lawyers who don’t work hard for their clients.
You’re just not knowledgeable enough to discuss this topic.
They’re such babies and drama queens.
They don’t get their way they’re gonna take their toys and go home.
“Whah if Trump wins I’m leaving the country”
“If they ban abortion I’m leaving the country”
“That’s it we’re forming our own country where you can get an abortion 24/7 at a drive thru clinic whah whah”
It is also the norm that females are treated like children that cannot be held responsible for their actions. That is the most disgusting comment I have read here in a long time and I have read some pretty foul stuff.
That's probably a misnomer since disgust is an adaptation that promotes aversion of novel pathogens.
The impression I have is that you would like to disparage my remarks but are unable to refute what I wrote.
Try it again, and this time explain why females in America are, in general, held to the same standard of accountability as males.
You’re just not knowledgeable enough to discuss this topic.
If you are so much smarter then tell me where I don’t have it correct.
What do your lawyers tell you when you hire them to get you out of a legal mess? Do they say they morally can’t do it because they vote republican?
Like it or not, a large number of people do not consider a non-viable fetus to be a "human being". If you believe that then you have the right to ensure that your partner is not someone who would want an abortion, but you have no right to impose that on anyone else.
And another bit of irony is the fact that states that are banning abortion have the stingiest services for the poor, including medical care, TANF grants, low cost housing. So unless their goal is to push these women into giving up their baby for adoption I would suggest that their ban on abortion is just a political stunt.
Throughout recorded history, the state has declared certain groups and/or individuals to be non-persons/subhuman.
A large number of pre-war Germans didn't consider Jews human beings. (Yeah, I know Godwin's Law)
A little closer to home, our own Supreme Court decided Africans were not really people.
So when we get around to deciding the personhood of vulnerable populations, to include a child not yet born, the track record of government is really ****ty.
As for the viability standard, in the larger picture, it's arbitrary.
Good luck finding any private company/enterprise willing to invest in the wholesale extermination of human life. I’m sure many stockholders will be clicking the sell tab in their brokerage accounts once the word is out.
Huh?
My gynecologist will preform an abortion. And still the waiting room is packed with pregnant and new mothers and all ages of women who happily use the full range of services for obstetrics and gynecology. No one seems to have a problem with the office or doctor who does this procedure.
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