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Old 07-07-2022, 08:24 PM
 
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The UK's Trump is going away. Good riddance. The world is changing for the better.



Indeed. Like Trump's appointment of three ultra-conservative Supreme Court Justices, BoJo was able to finesse an unpopular Brexit. Both have forced irreversible changes against the will of their nation's majorities. Bravo to them.
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Old 07-08-2022, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Indeed. Like Trump's appointment of three ultra-conservative Supreme Court Justices, BoJo was able to finesse an unpopular Brexit. Both have forced irreversible changes against the will of their nation's majorities. Bravo to them.
1) Brexit was put to a vote and the people voted in favor, then they overwhelmingly supported a prime minister who promised to see it through;

2) The federal courts are explicitly designed not to be a majoritarian institution.

As the old saying goes, elections have consequences.
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Old 07-08-2022, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Indeed. Like Trump's appointment of three ultra-conservative Supreme Court Justices, BoJo was able to finesse an unpopular Brexit. Both have forced irreversible changes against the will of their nation's majorities. Bravo to them.
Brexit was voted on by the British public. It is only unpopular within certain demographics. The Scottish and Welsh tend to not like it, the young and more left leaning tend to not like it but enough people like it that it passed a vote. Boris Johnson skillfully executed Brexit for his country giving Britons back the sovereignty they voted to recover. He carried out the will of the people.

In our own nation Trump won an election (un questionably won unlike Biden) and many Americans support the change in our Supreme Court. Ending the activism of the liberal courts has been a long time coming, everything that is happening is a return to the principles of our constitution. Just like In Britain with Brexit, certain segments of the population are appalled at the shifts in our country, mostly the young, urban and northern people are displeased the most. They may have worked hard to remove Trump through a very questionable election but they cannot undo his changes to the court. This is what Americans voted for in 2016 and in the conservative portions of America people are thrilled with the rulings. The midterms will be a referendum on Biden, the court and the 2020 election. We are about to find out what the country thinks.
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Old 07-08-2022, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Brexit was voted on by the British public. It is only unpopular within certain demographics. The Scottish and Welsh tend to not like it, the young and more left leaning tend to not like it but enough people like it that it passed a vote. Boris Johnson skillfully executed Brexit for his country giving Britons back the sovereignty they voted to recover. He carried out the will of the people.

In our own nation Trump won an election (un questionably won unlike Biden) and many Americans support the change in our Supreme Court. Ending the activism of the liberal courts has been a long time coming, everything that is happening is a return to the principles of our constitution. Just like In Britain with Brexit, certain segments of the population are appalled at the shifts in our country, mostly the young, urban and northern people are displeased the most. They may have worked hard to remove Trump through a very questionable election but they cannot undo his changes to the court. This is what Americans voted for in 2016 and in the conservative portions of America people are thrilled with the rulings. The midterms will be a referendum on Biden, the court and the 2020 election. We are about to find out what the country thinks.
Johnson's demise was nothing to do with Brexit, and was mainly down to the Partygate Scandal and the Chris Pincher Affair.

Boris Johnson resigns: Five things that led to the PM's downfall - BBC News

In terms of the next leader it could be someone not nearly as affable or friendly as Johnson in terms of the EU, and Tory leadership contests tend to be Machiavellian (ie. cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous), and relative unknown candidates have been known to win.

In the 1970's, the late Airey Neave backed an unknown, with a radical economic agenda, her name was Margaret Thatcher, and no one though for a moment that she would ever become party leader, let alone PM.

All this nonsense from the EU about looking forward to working with Boris's successor may well come back to haunt them.

Liz Truss, one of the favourite candidates in the leadership race, even models herself on Thatcher, and there are all kinds of right wing Conservative unknowns who may yet enter the fray.

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Old 07-08-2022, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Indeed. Like Trump's appointment of three ultra-conservative Supreme Court Justices, BoJo was able to finesse an unpopular Brexit. Both have forced irreversible changes against the will of their nation's majorities. Bravo to them.
Not even comparable. The British people voted FOR Brexit in a referendum. Nothing was forced on them.
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Old 07-08-2022, 08:47 AM
 
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1) Brexit was put to a vote and the people voted in favor, then they overwhelmingly supported a prime minister who promised to see it through

Ha! Talk about buyers remorse. Try putting that up for a vote today.


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In our own nation Trump won an election (un questionably won unlike Biden) and many Americans support the change in our Supreme Court.

That's tin-foil hat talk. Trump has decimated his chances of running for president again by showing what a bald faced liar he is.


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Johnson's demise was nothing to do with Brexit, and was mainly down to the Partygate Scandal and the Chris Pincher Affair.

Maybe so, but the unpopularity of Brexit and the havoc it has wreaked on the UK economy is undeniable.


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Not even comparable. The British people voted FOR Brexit in a referendum. Nothing was forced on them.

The separatist/isolationist approach is doomed.
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Old 07-08-2022, 11:37 AM
 
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BoJo lost his MoJo which was always nothing more than bluster, BS, lies and buffoonery.

Full story on BoJo's boorishness over the years in today's WaPo.

Excerpt: "The United Kingdom’s mendacious, buffoonish prime minister is gone, or at least going. The question historians will ask is how he ascended so high in the first place. The quick and easy answer is that he used his superpower, which is complete and utter shamelessness. But his rise and fall suggest a deeper — and, perhaps, ultimately encouraging — explanation that involves the allure, but also the limits, of red-meat populism."
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Old 07-08-2022, 05:40 PM
 
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Man just needs to go away.
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Old 07-08-2022, 08:54 PM
 
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Good riddance.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:00 PM
 
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Old combless BoJo got kicked to the curb.
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