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Old 08-04-2022, 05:32 AM
 
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On Wednesday, he confessed to the Oct. 2020 killing of Kevin Holloman, who died from three gunshot wounds in front of a Herkimer Street building in Bed-Stuy just blocks from the McDonald’s at the center of Monday’s shooting, police sources said.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/03/suspect-girlfriend-charged-in-nyc-shooting-over-cold-fries/


Three supporters were there to greet him outside of the precinct and told reporters that Morgan was “innocent” and will soon “be out on bail.”
“If somebody attacks someone’s mom, then what do you expect to happen?” one of the supporters said.
This is how people think now in NY. You can do anything and not be held, and of course if you disrespect this or that you get shot and that's ok.

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Old 08-04-2022, 05:39 AM
 
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One of the main ways to really turn around this pathetic violence-spree sweeping the nation is to lock-up violent offenders for a long time. In general, that is not going to happen, ever.

Nicey-nice and programs, HA, violent nuts care nothing about that mess as far
as it stopping their violence.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:43 AM
 
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Perp,



On Wednesday, he confessed to the Oct. 2020 killing of Kevin Holloman, who died from three gunshot wounds in front of a Herkimer Street building in Bed-Stuy just blocks from the McDonald’s at the center of Monday’s shooting, police sources said.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/03/suspect-girlfriend-charged-in-nyc-shooting-over-cold-fries/


Three supporters were there to greet him outside of the precinct and told reporters that Morgan was “innocent” and will soon “be out on bail.”
“If somebody attacks someone’s mom, then what do you expect to happen?” one of the supporters said.
This is how people think now in NY. You can do anything and not be held, and of course if you disrespect this or that you get shot and that's ok.
There has been a rather lengthy list of people out on bail for murder....murdering someone.

Then people complain about witnesses coming forward.

Imagine seeing your nieghbor gun someone down and having them back in the neighborhood a couple days later and not seeing trial for almost 2 years?
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:53 AM
 
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One of the main ways to really turn around this pathetic violence-spree sweeping the nation is to lock-up violent offenders for a long time. In general, that is not going to happen, ever.

Nicey-nice and programs, HA, violent nuts care nothing about that mess as far
as it stopping their violence.
I think you’re wrong. The pendulum always swings back the other way. Crime was horrible in the ‘80s with perps getting long rap sheets where they were in and out of jail all the time. Eventually people got tired of the violence and the tough on crime laws were instituted. People aren’t going to sit by and allow this for very long.
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Old 08-04-2022, 07:20 AM
 
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I think you’re wrong. The pendulum always swings back the other way. Crime was horrible in the ‘80s with perps getting long rap sheets where they were in and out of jail all the time. Eventually people got tired of the violence and the tough on crime laws were instituted. People aren’t going to sit by and allow this for very long.
IDK, they made BLM and police reforms so intensely political that this is going to stick around for a lot longer imo.

Additionally, in the major urban centers with lots of gang violence the police are already trained at this point to not stick their necks out and THAT will remain for a very long time.

Lastly, the surge in crime is just parroted back as being "because of guns". When people start calling out that BS, then we'll know things are starting to change.

Imagine being able to tell black communities where murders and shootings are up 100% from 2019 that the problem is *guns* and getting away with it. Gee, didn't we have guns in 2019?
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Old 08-04-2022, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ff0d46a3952c00

Murdered McDonalds employee over "cold fries" dispute.

Not really sure how you defend the NYC justice system after this one.

They don't arrest and prosecute to any real effect and just everyday people end up paying the price.

This isn't an indictment of just NY but rather of many cities around the country where very very soft policing and prosecution are in place for violent offenders.

Heck, for stuff like weed I'm 100% in favor of release from jail and de-criminalization. However, for these violent dudes, they need to lock them up.

Keep in mind, their victims are vastly vastly poorer minorities so spare me the "equity" BullPoo.

Soft on crime ONLY benefits the politicians, not the poorest and most vulnerable citizens trying to make it through the day.
40 year old receives cold fries and face times her 20 year old son and engages him in dispute with McDonald’s worker. The 20 year old can’t tolerate someone disrespecting his mother and arrives at the McDonalds to further engage.

Not clear how he and the employee ended up outside. The shooter’s 18 year old GF handed the gun to him and he used it. She has been charged with unlawful possession.

While in jail, the shooter was questioned about a 2020 murder and he said something that implicated himself.

His prior arrests seem to have occurred when he was a minor. It is unknown if any of those arrests led to charges or convictions.

This apple did not fall far from his mama’s tree.
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Old 08-04-2022, 08:06 AM
 
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I'm from NYC. Tough on crime will only anger the left, and soft on crime will only anger the right. The best approach is a balanced method of justice especially for black and brown, mostly black youths who get in trouble in NYC. Btw in a person of color and did alright in NYC. I'm person of color too. All I know is this white liberals and black activist who say they care about black people and anything black and brown. They should get out of their ivory towers and gated communities and spend 24-7 with them to see what they truly need,instead of 8 hours at at a black and brown school while teaching some critical theory stuff.
And that’s why the rate of violence in many black hoods is what it is. They’re not tough on crime. What’s an example of being too tough on crime and where is that happening? What city is too tough on crime? Name one.
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Old 08-04-2022, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I think you’re wrong. The pendulum always swings back the other way. Crime was horrible in the ‘80s with perps getting long rap sheets where they were in and out of jail all the time. Eventually people got tired of the violence and the tough on crime laws were instituted. People aren’t going to sit by and allow this for very long.
Violent crime substantially declined throughout the US as the 90’s progressed. It did not matter the strategy or lack of strategy used by LE and prosecutors. Criminologists have a variety of theories why violence substantially declined.

NYC Homicides:

1990- 2,605

2000-952

2010- 868

2019-558

2020-462

2021-485

What has changed is social media and the 24/7 news cycle which creates a perception that homicides are the worst in history.
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Old 08-04-2022, 08:35 AM
 
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40 year old receives cold fries and face times her 20 year old son and engages him in dispute with McDonald’s worker. The 20 year old can’t tolerate someone disrespecting his mother and arrives at the McDonalds to further engage.

Not clear how he and the employee ended up outside. The shooter’s 18 year old GF handed the gun to him and he used it. She has been charged with unlawful possession.

While in jail, the shooter was questioned about a 2020 murder and he said something that implicated himself.

His prior arrests seem to have occurred when he was a minor. It is unknown if any of those arrests led to charges or convictions.

This apple did not fall far from his mama’s tree.
Ah, I see now, thanks for the clarification I think the article I'd read didn't have all that info yet.

Wonder how many people the guy has shot and killed in addition to these 2.
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Old 08-04-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I'm from NYC. Tough on crime will only anger the left, and soft on crime will only anger the right. The best approach is a balanced method of justice especially for black and brown, mostly black youths who get in trouble in NYC. Btw in a person of color and did alright in NYC. I'm person of color too. All I know is this white liberals and black activist who say they care about black people and anything black and brown. They should get out of their ivory towers and gated communities and spend 24-7 with them to see what they truly need,instead of 8 hours at at a black and brown school while teaching some critical theory stuff.
Anger the left comes with crimes as noted in the OP. Abandons the government's first duty, PUBLIC SAFETY!

Lack of public safety impacts minorities the most as well as all other demographics which constitute the PUBLIC!

Choice, anger the left of public safety?

Left cannot visualize degrees of an issue. It is all black and white, they deal only with extreme ends of the spectrum. The left is uncompromising and eliminate themselves from any positive discussion. Results in lingering problems becoming legacy problems.
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