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Old 08-04-2022, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Perp,



On Wednesday, he confessed to the Oct. 2020 killing of Kevin Holloman, who died from three gunshot wounds in front of a Herkimer Street building in Bed-Stuy just blocks from the McDonald’s at the center of Monday’s shooting, police sources said.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/03/suspect-girlfriend-charged-in-nyc-shooting-over-cold-fries/


Three supporters were there to greet him outside of the precinct and told reporters that Morgan was “innocent” and will soon “be out on bail.”
“If somebody attacks someone’s mom, then what do you expect to happen?” one of the supporters said.
This is how people think now in NY. You can do anything and not be held, and of course if you disrespect this or that you get shot and that's ok.
Here’s a hot link to the story:

https://nypost.com/2022/08/03/suspec...er-cold-fries/

There is a difference between 3 people outside a precinct who claim “ Morgan was innocent and will soon be out on bail” and 8 + million people in NYC.

Did you catch the reference to the $800 Amiri sweatshirt? It’s likely an Amiri inspired knock- off but that does not make sensational copy.

Shooter and his accomplice GF have a 2 year old child.
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Old 08-04-2022, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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One of the main ways to really turn around this pathetic violence-spree sweeping the nation is to lock-up violent offenders for a long time. In general, that is not going to happen, ever.

Nicey-nice and programs, HA, violent nuts care nothing about that mess as far
as it stopping their violence.
I favor offshoring violent criminals to the lowest bidding countries.
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Old 08-04-2022, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I'm from NYC. Tough on crime will only anger the left, and soft on crime will only anger the right. The best approach is a balanced method of justice especially for black and brown, mostly black youths who get in trouble in NYC. Btw in a person of color and did alright in NYC. I'm person of color too. All I know is this white liberals and black activist who say they care about black people and anything black and brown. They should get out of their ivory towers and gated communities and spend 24-7 with them to see what they truly need,instead of 8 hours at at a black and brown school while teaching some critical theory stuff.
Guiliani proved it can be done...cleaning up crime and garbage in NYC. Why not just repeat everything he did again? Tough on crime, hire enough sanitation workers to do the job.
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Old 08-04-2022, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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There has been a rather lengthy list of people out on bail for murder....murdering someone.

Then people complain about witnesses coming forward.

Imagine seeing your nieghbor gun someone down and having them back in the neighborhood a couple days later and not seeing trial for almost 2 years?
The flip side is imagine being charged with murder and being denied bail. History and flight risk matters.

The issue with ankle monitors is that too often it’s turned off while the accused works or seeks work or whatever. And sometimes, counties fail to adequately monitor the monitors.

Both the prosecutor and defender typically require time to prepare for a trial.

Here’s a public defender juggling 194 felony cases in Louisiana.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ase-loads.html

I have read a prosecutor typically has 100+/- felony cases at any point in time.

Easier said than done for counties/ states to hire more prosecutors and public defenders.

The Parkland mass shooter awaits sentencing 4.5 years later.
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Old 08-04-2022, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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IDK, they made BLM and police reforms so intensely political that this is going to stick around for a lot longer imo.

Additionally, in the major urban centers with lots of gang violence the police are already trained at this point to not stick their necks out and THAT will remain for a very long time.

Lastly, the surge in crime is just parroted back as being "because of guns". When people start calling out that BS, then we'll know things are starting to change.

Imagine being able to tell black communities where murders and shootings are up 100% from 2019 that the problem is *guns* and getting away with it. Gee, didn't we have guns in 2019?
Last year CPD recovered more than 12,000 guns, mostly in the most dangerous communities during traffic stops. FBI has for years traced recovered guns in Chicago. The majority were legally bought in suburban gun stores and “ went missing”, aka straw purchasers, often females.

This is more guns recovered in NYC and LA combined.

I don’t know if this means there are more guns or more CPD focus on recovering guns.

As you know, most of the shootings in Chicago are black on black crimes and the shooters and victims are often known to each other, personally or via gang affiliation to settle beefs.

The greatest loss of population in the city has and continues to be from the most dangerous communities. It’s become a reverse migration of sorts or relocation to suburbs. Anyone who has the will and means to relocate has or plans to.

4 and 5 AM weekend bar licenses in the River North and other areas seem to attract patrons who are more inclined towards violence to settle disputes.

It’s sub- culture and access to firearms.
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Old 08-04-2022, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And that’s why the rate of violence in many black hoods is what it is. They’re not tough on crime. What’s an example of being too tough on crime and where is that happening? What city is too tough on crime? Name one.
Cities arrest.

Based on evidence, counties charge, prosecute, plea deal, convict and sentence.
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Old 08-04-2022, 11:23 AM
 
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Left cannot visualize degrees of an issue. It is all black and white, they deal only with extreme ends of the spectrum. The left is uncompromising and eliminate themselves from any positive discussion. Results in lingering problems becoming legacy problems.
^ suggests some black and white, absolute thinking.
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Old 08-04-2022, 11:32 AM
 
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Guiliani proved it can be done...cleaning up crime and garbage in NYC. Why not just repeat everything he did again? Tough on crime, hire enough sanitation workers to do the job.
Rudy was the right guy in the right place in NYC during the period following 9/11.

He retired and took his show onto the lucrative international speaker’s circuit, talking about how he cleaned up NYC. He never mentions that crime throughout the country substantially declined as the 90’s progressed. Strategy or lack thereof, made no difference.
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Old 08-04-2022, 11:46 AM
 
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Last year CPD recovered more than 12,000 guns, mostly in the most dangerous communities during traffic stops. FBI has for years traced recovered guns in Chicago. The majority were legally bought in suburban gun stores and “ went missing”, aka straw purchasers, often females.

This is more guns recovered in NYC and LA combined.

I don’t know if this means there are more guns or more CPD focus on recovering guns.

As you know, most of the shootings in Chicago are black on black crimes and the shooters and victims are often known to each other, personally or via gang affiliation to settle beefs.

The greatest loss of population in the city has and continues to be from the most dangerous communities. It’s become a reverse migration of sorts or relocation to suburbs. Anyone who has the will and means to relocate has or plans to.

4 and 5 AM weekend bar licenses in the River North and other areas seem to attract patrons who are more inclined towards violence to settle disputes.

It’s sub- culture and access to firearms.
They have access to drugs too, despite a complete US ban on them.

Just based on mass shootings where Chicago had as much as the next 3 highest cities last year, I'd wager that there are more people carrying guns. NYC in particular has strict penalties for carrying a gun illegally.
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Old 08-04-2022, 12:20 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Rudy was the right guy in the right place in NYC during the period following 9/11.

He retired and took his show onto the lucrative international speaker’s circuit, talking about how he cleaned up NYC. He never mentions that crime throughout the country substantially declined as the 90’s progressed. Strategy or lack thereof, made no difference.
You didn't live in NYC in the 90's. That much is clear. You believe the revised history that you have heard or read somewhere.

I lived there. Ask anyone who did live there, I don't care if they are liberal or conservative, nobody is going to deny that Rudy transformed that city. Not everybody liked his tactics, but nobody will deny that they were effective.

Nobody would walk in Central Park at night back then because you would be robbed, raped or murdered. You would have to be out of your mind to do that. Rudy came in and filled the park with cops at night. Before you knew it, people were jogging, riding bikes, and using the park for what it was meant to be used for.

Times Square went from being a gritty, s'hole to being like Disneyland. He got rid of all the stores on 42nd street that sold switch blades, bongs, fake IDs, and all the prostitutes that were on every corner. He got rid of all the mentally ill squeegee guys that would accost you every time you entered the city, no matter which bridge or tunnel you entered through.

These things didn't just happen randomly, because "crime was going down". He announced he was going to do these things, and then they got done. And quickly. He shifted police around to where they were needed most, and he gave them the full backing of his office.
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