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What upsets me MORE, about this, are issues of SOCIAL CLASS. At 65k, the school should be better-calibrated for maintaining the Upper Class social position of the children. Upper Class/High-IQ people are naturally more androgynous. Cartoonish exaggerations of "manliness" and "femininity" have no place among Upper Class people. Neither John Cena nor "Brita Filter" have any business being celebrated in an expensive Episcopalian school. Sexual Dimorphism becomes more pronounced, as one descends the social ladder - both in terms of class and IQ. Smart people, and classy people, simply don't worry about gender, or gender-specific behaviors and appearance, to the degree that the underclasses do.
Drag queens, therefore, represent a manifestation of Lower Class values - Sexual Dimorphism celebrated and exaggerated: precisely the opposite of what a supposedly Upper Class school should be celebrating.
This particular drama plays-out, of course, against the backdrop of the Protestant churches' ongoing betrayal of the Protestant peoples. It's no wonder why Protestants are turning their backs on their churches, in record numbers. It's no wonder, why my own inner circle of friends, all returned to Judaism, after generations (or centuries) of their families' being Protestant. They were tired of giving money to institutions which worked against their interests. They were tired of attending Methodist funerals, where the distinguished deceased were belittled by "idiot Redneck preachers". They were tired of having Communist dogma (and Christian dogma which their ancestors had long-ago outgrown and rejected) dredged-up and rammed down their throats.
One would think that America's Episcopal Church, with the highest collective IQ and highest social standing of any religious sect, would be above all of that. After all, it's been the religion-of-choice for social gatecrashers, for well over a century. One would think that, if the real Episcopalians didn't have the moxy to muzzle the clerics, that the gatecrashers would.
My husband and I, rose from less-than-nothing. We had no ethnoreligious identity. Nor were we white. Until later, neither of us knew who our "daddies" were. He grew up in a travel trailer, tacked to the kitchen wing of a hunting camp in North Louisiana. I grew up in a two-room tarpaper shack, which served as a backwoods Mississippi brothel. Our becoming a couple, happened at the very moment when it was becoming apparent that each of us was exceptionally smart and exceptionally capable. We, being suddenly, "you and me against the world", and supported by friends and college faculty, were emboldened to choose new names, and to choose an ethnoreligious identity.
Just as the Khazarian king, Bulan, puzzled over the various religions invading his region, from which he must choose (adopting one, meant postponing, for centuries, the eventual extinction of his people), we puzzled over the possibilities. I knew, from reading tattered old issues of Town & Country, which religions were the classiest. Those unsanitary shared Communion goblets, were what saved us from Episcopalianism. Methodism offered sanitary individual thimbles of non-alcoholic grape juice. And, in the rural South, Methodist churches were where the rich people and the smart people could be found.
But the influx of "relevant" Redneck preachers pushing Socialism, was ruining the Methodist Church. It was no longer a refuge for Sephardic Grandees, where Sunday School classes delved into biblical history, simply as history. Bitsi and Izzi and Babette and Skip and Moosie, my new friends, who'd grown up carpooling, in limousines, to private day schools - all former communicants of fashionable Methodist congregations in haughty intellectual Greenville, Mississippi (my first friends since Third Grade!!!), were toying with a return to Judaism, with the help of the few Jewish professors at our little backwoods university.
Boyyyy.... did we ever pick the right team! (we each could find established lines - if illegitimate - and so had the somewhat tenuous right to do so, as expensive DNA analysis has repeatedly confirmed)
My friends were bitter about the fact that their day schools had not been exclusive-enough. "My grandfather did not pay that enormous endowment fee, so that I'd have to go to a school with rednecky garbage like Homecoming - or football - or proms. Aside from the limousines in the carpool lane - and the fact that half our classmates' families had been in Town & Country https://www.google.com/search?q=Juli...h=536&dpr=1.71 , it might as well have been a public school."At least Greenville's private schools had study halls for "conscientious objectors" who refused to go to pep rallies...
Why was there no study hall for conscientious objectors, at Grace Church High School?
But anyway, once we'd exhausted the early-development capabilities of our synagogue's kids' programs, we had to pick an educational track for our three. Saint Andrews was the obvious choice, since it cost the most, and was where families with ambitions similar to ours, sent their kids. So, Loubertha, our "maid" was in perpetual motion, running the kids between campuses.
Loubertha and I, both, noticed that there was "An Episcopalian Look": tall, strawberry blond, Scandinavian head shape, similar to England's Ducal Families. But we also noticed that a certain redneck prisspot decorator, whose office condo was in the same building as mine, had her little hellion at that school. This was a woman blackballed from Junior League, because of her loud, open-mouthed gum-chewing. And a lot of other slimy non-Episcopalian rednecks had their kids there. There was a lot, at that Episcopal school, which I found disturbingly similar to public schools. Eventually, we learned that some of that school's boys, "Got a classmate on drugs, and had her across town at the Alamo Plaza, where she was a prostitute."
So, (despite our being brown) we moved to an exurban whiteopia with great public schools: cynical, ruthless.... whatever. That's what we did. It saved a lot of money. Why spend the money, if it doesn't get you something exclusive?
And why are people paying that kind of money, in Manhattan, for a school where the staff dresses so shabbily, and speaks so poorly? Why are they paying that kind of money, for a school which is undermining their kids' social ascendancy?
Sorry, but the drag queen thing, is only one of many shortcomings of that school. Our granddaughters have been spared Pre-K & K, and are now skipping elementary. The sabotaging of young minds, even by elite institutions, is the reason why. Honestly, the parade of tutors, is costing about the same as what tuition would have been.
I’m really confused by your post. Sounds extremely classist. Not sure what point you’re really making. Where are upper class people androgynous and sexual dimorphism is only for the lower classes? My best friend when I was a kid (who turned out ultra liberal although her parents seem less so) went to Episcopal church and I often went with them after spending the night on a Saturday. I don’t know where you’re getting your physical stereotypes about that group. And your awful comments about southern people are the cherry on top of this strange post. What am I missing?
I’m really confused by your post. Sounds extremely classist. Not sure what point you’re really making. Where are upper class people androgynous and sexual dimorphism is only for the lower classes? My best friend when I was a kid (who turned out ultra liberal although her parents seem less so) went to Episcopal church and I often went with them after spending the night on a Saturday. I don’t know where you’re getting your physical stereotypes about that group. And your awful comments about southern people are the cherry on top of this strange post. What am I missing?
Kiss up/spit down types always worry if they fit in with the “right” people.
I never cared, just be myself. It’s more gratifying
I’m really confused by your post. Sounds extremely classist. Not sure what point you’re really making. Where are upper class people androgynous and sexual dimorphism is only for the lower classes? My best friend when I was a kid (who turned out ultra liberal although her parents seem less so) went to Episcopal church and I often went with them after spending the night on a Saturday. I don’t know where you’re getting your physical stereotypes about that group. And your awful comments about southern people are the cherry on top of this strange post. What am I missing?
I'm going to guess that you've been the victim of Thought Control, for your entire life. It seems that you've been taught what-not-to-think, and what-not-to-say. Too, you've probably been taught to ignore your own capacity for Pattern Recognition. This is not rare. It's not your fault.
Classism is as much a reality, today, as it has ever been. Those who would subjugate you, forbid you to think about class.
Those would gain advantage over you, are the same people who want to forbid you to say and think and notice the very things which place them in positions of advanage. They want you to pretend that what is observable and obvious, cannot possibly be true.
Scrape the surface of any New Yorker who routinely deploys weaponized egalitarianism, and you'll find someone who (in private) indulges in rampant classism. When I was at Tulane, classmates from New York taught me how to be a pro at that.
Do you think that parents shell-out 60k, for a year of schooling, in order to ensure that their children WON'T be members of an elite group? Do you think that they pay that money, in the hopes that their children will make LESS? NO! Of course not! They want, for their children, enhanced social standing, and enhanced earnings potential.
And it's not a minor consideration, that by having children in "the right school", the parents, themselves, will attain higher social standing and better business connections. On the surface, lip service may be paid to "noble goals". But those are not the goals. Classism is behind the choice of schools, and behind the decision to endure the stresses of living in Manhattan. Our summers renting in the Malibu Colony, taught us how advantageous it can be, for one's children to become friends of the children of the extremely prominent. Those contacts changed the trajectory of our lives. It works in precisely the same way, in Manhattan.
Yes. It has been recognized as fact, for CENTURIES - and probably for millennia, that androgyny is a characteristic of those in ascendancy. I can think of examples from Ancient Egypt. I can think of countless examples in literature, from ancient to contemporary. 'Gentleman' is a European term which says it all, about culture and phenotype at the top, during the Renaissance. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, by Lower Class standards, were "sissies". But they were Upper Class, and so were highly-regarded by their peers. And do I need to comment on the androgynous ways of the privileged classes in prewar New York?
I'm not sure, to what "awful things about Southerners" you are referring. Is carpooling in limousines, an awful thing? Is being a darling of the publishing world, something you consider "awful"? In any event, I don't remember any references to Southerners as a group.
I'm going to guess that you've been the victim of Thought Control, for your entire life. It seems that you've been taught what-not-to-think, and what-not-to-say. Too, you've probably been taught to ignore your own capacity for Pattern Recognition. This is not rare. It's not your fault.
Classism is as much a reality, today, as it has ever been. Those who would subjugate you, forbid you to think about class.
Those would gain advantage over you, are the same people who want to forbid you to say and think and notice the very things which place them in positions of advanage. They want you to pretend that what is observable and obvious, cannot possibly be true.
Scrape the surface of any New Yorker who routinely deploys weaponized egalitarianism, and you'll find someone who (in private) indulges in rampant classism. When I was at Tulane, classmates from New York taught me how to be a pro at that.
Do you think that parents shell-out 60k, for a year of schooling, in order to ensure that their children WON'T be members of an elite group? Do you think that they pay that money, in the hopes that their children will make LESS? NO! Of course not! They want, for their children, enhanced social standing, and enhanced earnings potential.
And it's not a minor consideration, that by having children in "the right school", the parents, themselves, will attain higher social standing and better business connections. On the surface, lip service may be paid to "noble goals". But those are not the goals. Classism is behind the choice of schools, and behind the decision to endure the stresses of living in Manhattan. Our summers renting in the Malibu Colony, taught us how advantageous it can be, for one's children to become friends of the children of the extremely prominent. Those contacts changed the trajectory of our lives. It works in precisely the same way, in Manhattan.
Yes. It has been recognized as fact, for CENTURIES - and probably for millennia, that androgyny is a characteristic of those in ascendancy. I can think of examples from Ancient Egypt. I can think of countless examples in literature, from ancient to contemporary. 'Gentleman' is a European term which says it all, about culture and phenotype at the top, during the Renaissance. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, by Lower Class standards, were "sissies". But they were Upper Class, and so were highly-regarded by their peers. And do I need to comment on the androgynous ways of the privileged classes in prewar New York?
I'm not sure, to what "awful things about Southerners" you are referring. Is carpooling in limousines, an awful thing? Is being a darling of the publishing world, something you consider "awful"? In any event, I don't remember any references to Southerners as a group.
I read your first sentence and stopped. You clearly have no idea how clueless your comments are.
Kiss up/spit down types always worry if they fit in with the “right” people.
I never cared, just be myself. It’s more gratifying
Mmhmm. Just don’t see that around here on P&OC too much and I avoid those types in real life bc they are obnoxious to deal with. That post was really shocking.
I read your first sentence and stopped. You clearly have no idea how clueless your comments are.
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Mmhmm. Just don’t see that around here on P&OC too much and I avoid those types in real life bc they are obnoxious to deal with. That post was really shocking.
Yes! After looking at your City-Data posts from the last few days, I can see how very clueless was my reply to you. Repression is not your problem, at all.
I'm sorry that you were administratively withdrawn from grad school, over a LinkedIn comment! https://www.city-data.com/forum/63900283-post20.html That's totally unfair - particularly considering that school was not even in-session at the time.
My apologies, for being so completely wrong about you.
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I just watched the link at the beginning of this thread. That's one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a long time.
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My best friend when I was a kid (who turned out ultra liberal although her parents seem less so) went to Episcopal church and I often went with them after spending the night on a Saturday. I don’t know where you’re getting your physical stereotypes about that group. And your awful comments about southern people are the cherry on top of this strange post. What am I missing?
