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They're likely moving away from the left because the left is a circular firing squad. Cancel culture and cringey as that is to talk about is a thing and it targets artists. A musician a comedian a performer they want free speech. Disagreement with what they say is fine but trying to stop them from saying it because what they're saying is not woke enough is absolutely unacceptable.
They're not aligning with the right so much is the left abandoned them. Because it's being devoured into this idea of thinking any kind of disagreement is intolerable.
Everything in rap culture is hyper-masculine the left wants that to be considered toxic.
In a lot of the music through talking about having 99 problems and a ***** isn't one and that sentiment is carried out that is anti-feminist.
They aren't moving right they're just sticking to their more liberal viewpoint the left is moving left. Can you stopped championing free speech and started promoting hate speech laws they ceased being liberal and became far left authoritarians.
Musicians particularly rap artists operate on the very cusp of what is acceptable. That's the point of it. Art like music and mustard in general has always had the component of challenging establishment. That's the point of it.
So when you see them moving to what you consider the right it's because you're the establishment. Back in the '90s it used to be Bible thumping Christians were the establishment so you would put on a performance that was just dripping with satanic imagery this is why Sam Smith's ridiculous performance was so mocked and ridiculed it's fighting a battle from two decades ago. Now he's accepted by The Establishment the Bible beaters were destroyed probably around 2002ish.
So now the only thing you can do to rebel or be edgy or get to that cusp is moved to the right. The left has just consumed everything further to the left than it. In 1998 if the kid came home from college and told their parents that he was Communist that would have been edgy now you just sound like a self-centered brat that picked a stupid major and doesn't want to find a job just like all the other self-centered brats it's not edgy anymore it's cringe.
It does rub me the wrong way. And there is a reason it rubs me the wrong way. The smugness, the stupidity involved in it. What I don't get is why you don't seem concerned about it.
I allow people to think for themselves. It doesn’t matter how it’s labeled. Preferable if it’s based on what’s true.
I don’t get the smugness part. Is it about white people making the claim?
Of course, they are upset and rightfully so. However, they are the voting bloc least likely to make the Dems pay. So. the illegals get dumped in their communities.
Make no mistake about the illegal aliens issue. This whole purpose of this is to undercut labor. Democrats will tell you that they care all about the working class they do not they care about getting their vote and getting in power.
Don't think the Republicans are in your side either and they oppose any effort to curtail illegal immigration because for the same reason it undercuts labor costs.
That is the primary point and that is the 100% reason why they do it. They've made all sorts of different culture war excuses for it probably back to the '60s but it's really about making sure that unskilled labor doesn't get paid any better.
Until at least 40% of the Black vote goes to the Republican Party, and the Republicans in question are not MAGA-ites, forget it.
I know about many Black voters sitting out rather than voting Republican. I talked about that in other threads years ago. Has anyone ever thought to ask why this is? And come up with something better than "free stuff". That "free stuff" argument is stupid and dishonest.
And thus, we segue into the "gift card" comment. The largest portion of the Black vote comes from the middle class and upper class. Hardly groups that would be looking for "gift cards" or "free stuff". That gift card comment was not made in good faith, considering who within the Black population is the most likely to vote. I notice no one ever asks why Black middle class and upper middle class individuals are voting Democrat in large numbers. All I ever hear about are the inner city ghettos. And given that the "gift card" and "free stuff" argument is basically the "lazy Black person" stereotype re-packaged, this is why I say such comments were done out of spite.
If a conservative-leaning Black middle class or upper middle class individual sits among MAGA-ites long enough, he realizes that they can't tell the difference between him and someone from the inner city ghettos. That's clearly what finally happened to Michael Steele.
That's why such blacks are more likely to sit out an election than vote Republican, and if they vote Democrat, it will also be for that reason.
Yet, this is what puts us into an unhappy position:
My grandfather used to say, "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then."
I still think Republicans are blind squirrels, but with Wu-han, DEI, CRT, Hunter Biden, elite child sex trafficking and a few other things, those blind squirrels are getting pretty lucky at finding acorns.
Why does the black population largely vote Democratic? What is the Democratic Party doing for them?
They're not being MAGA Republicans.
The Republican Party has a very good chance of gaining a lot of headway among non-white social conservatives, not only black but also Latino Roman Catholics, if they can actually turn toward social conservatism rather than right-wing activism.
An interesting thing is that in these culture wars, there is a thread of white Christians beginning to reach out to blacks...because the truth is, we are actually culturally close.
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Make no mistake about the illegal aliens issue. This whole purpose of this is to undercut labor. Democrats will tell you that they care all about the working class they do not they care about getting their vote and getting in power.
Don't think the Republicans are in your side either and they oppose any effort to curtail illegal immigration because for the same reason it undercuts labor costs.
That is the primary point and that is the 100% reason why they do it. They've made all sorts of different culture war excuses for it probably back to the '60s but it's really about making sure that unskilled labor doesn't get paid any better.
Oh, for sure. There is billions of dollars of additional profit in subsistence-level (read: slave-level) illegal labor. There is no way to make them legal (such as "documented foreign worker" programs) and maintain the same level of profit. And to be sure, we're talking about profit to major businesses.
The last president who seriously tried to use the power of the Presidency to curtain illegal labor was Dwight Eisenhower, and the Mexican border governors handed him his head.
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This article is an example of how the left does not approve of black people stepping out of their lines of what the left thinks black people are supposed to believe.
As opposed to what Ron DeSantis just tried to do to every elected Black Conservative in congress ?
Also, its not the left calling out people like Ice Cube, its black people in general.
The Republican Party has a very good chance of gaining a lot of headway among non-white social conservatives, not only black but also Latino Roman Catholics, if they can actually turn toward social conservatism rather than right-wing activism.
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An interesting thing is that in these culture wars, there is a thread of white Christians beginning to reach out to blacks...because the truth is, we are actually culturally close.
Thats not true either.
There is a debate in the black community about political power, and the argument has been for a while, if Democrats cant win, then why not be republicans and affect change there, if Republicans can be shown that our vote can get them a win, maybe they will do things that they wont allow Dems to do. Funding of HBCUs after years of fighting over it is a key example of this.
Obviously, my take is that this will never work simply because the GOP has made sure they never need the black vote.
There is a debate in the black community about political power, and the argument has been for a while, if Democrats cant win, then why not be republicans and affect change there, if Republicans can be shown that our vote can get them a win, maybe they will do things that they wont allow Dems to do. Funding of HBCUs after years of fighting over it is a key example of this.
Well, that's not true.
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Obviously, my take is that this will never work simply because the GOP has made sure they never need the black vote.
It's been clear since the re-election of Ronald Reagan that the GOP doesn't need the black vote, at least not at the presidential level, although some state votes have been close.
For instance, in the recent Georgia gubernatorial election, the issue of the black male vote became highly divisive between black men and black women, and may even have been decisive in that election. The anti-male flavor of Stacey Abrams' campaign was a big issue for black men.
Doesn't matter. Those rappers going to the right won't get more Black people to go to the right. Stacey Dash is supposedly a right winger. She's persona non grata in the Black American population. Candace Owen is a Black right winger, and young. She's not having much influence on Black Americans.
And yet more and more black people are turning their backs on the Dems. They don't all need to be influenced by a celebrity, most just think for themselves and see how they've been used for decades.
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