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Old 10-17-2023, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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"Fight for $15" went so well they upped it to $25
Meanwhile their rent went from $1200 a month to $1700 a month and nothing was gained, and eventually the price of eating here will get so high that the company will go bankrupt and/or it will become like McDonalds with far fewer workers and you order at a kiosk and pay with a credit card. The democrats will continue to pick up voters, and nothing will change for the workers.
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Old 10-17-2023, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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$25 an hour won't let you buy a house, a car, be married, and raise two or three kids..but the $25 an hour equivalent 50 years ago would..
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Old 10-17-2023, 07:46 AM
 
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Near me there is a Subway offering $20 an hour plus tips.


Of course when the cost of labor goes up so does the cost of what they produce.
My wife and I used to go out to eat often but then Covid hit and that was stopped. Today the prices have gone up and going out is a luxury and Worse is when we do we often walk away feeling that we could have prepared a better meal at home for less and with more healthy ingredients.



$30 an hour at the Waffle House might just put them out of business.
A major problem with these threads, many people from coastal areas where rents are $1500+ for a 1 br have no appreciation of the lower cost parts of the US.

Their lack of diversity in understanding the US results in them being unable to view the issue (at first) in terms of places where rents are half that etc. so they immediately think that $25/hr is workable.

The problem is that the customers won't pay those costs, they can't afford it.

Many mom & pop places where I live have gone cash only to keep prices low after the recent high inflation.

Try to wrap your head around areas where median household (yes, household) income is <50k.
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Old 10-17-2023, 07:48 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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$25 an hour won't let you buy a house, a car, be married, and raise two or three kids..but the $25 an hour equivalent 50 years ago would..
Well then they will have to fight for more once they get $25.

No skill work will become more lucrative then going to school and get skills for a good paying job.
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Old 10-17-2023, 07:50 AM
 
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If they have to pay people $25 to make waffles and charge $25 for breakfast they will go bankrupt. They attract a mostly lower class crowd as it is.
Yeah, that high class crowd is already spending +25$ for breakfast. Those low-class people can just go eat breakfast at the high-class restaurants. They are probably paying illegals under the table to work for much less for those jobs Americans won't do.
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Old 10-17-2023, 07:53 AM
 
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$25 an hour won't let you buy a house, a car, be married, and raise two or three kids
Not where you live. But it will other places in the US.

The speed limit on the interstate near me is 70mph, that's a reasonable speed limit there so we should just raise all the speed limits in the US to 70mph?
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Old 10-17-2023, 08:18 AM
 
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$25 an hour won't let you buy a house, a car, be married, and raise two or three kids..but the $25 an hour equivalent 50 years ago would..
People working in diners generally don't buy houses or raise a family with one income. Not before not now. Its a job if you don't have any real skills or education that allows you to in your off hours go to school or learn a trade so you can have a better life or get into restaurant management.


But overpaying unskilled people just creates more inflation, more business closures and then its going to be $50 to survive. Or automation takes over and you have millions of people who are not employable by anyone.
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Old 10-17-2023, 08:22 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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People working in diners generally don't buy houses or raise a family with one income. Not before not now. Its a job if you don't have any real skills or education that allows you to in your off hours go to school or learn a trade so you can have a better life or get into restaurant management.


But overpaying unskilled people just creates more inflation, more business closures and then its going to be $50 to survive. Or automation takes over and you have millions of people who are not employable by anyone.
American Progress seems to differ with your opinion...they say it's single Black mothers.


https://www.americanprogress.org/art...drive-economy/
Because the majority of minimum wage-earning mothers are breadwinners, raising the federal minimum wage would strengthen economic security for millions of families.
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In reality, most low-wage workers in the United States are adults working full time, mostly women and disproportionately women of color.
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Old 10-17-2023, 08:24 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Why not just shoot for the moon at $200 an hour? That way, a waffle person with nearly no skills at all could make more than people who spend 12 years of their lives in money and training perfecting their career skills.
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Old 10-17-2023, 08:29 AM
 
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$25 an hour won't let you buy a house, a car, be married, and raise two or three kids..but the $25 an hour equivalent 50 years ago would..
It's important to remember that not all jobs are intended to allow for the "middle class" lifestyle you describe. People make choices and life is a compromise. If you choose to forgo higher education or learning a "trade," because you would prefer to work and earn money right away, it's reasonable to assume you will earn less money in your unskilled job. For the people who work their way through college or trade school, they will earn a lot less money while they are getting their educations, but eventually they will earn more. That's the point.

I really like Waffle House. I have great memories of going their as a young private in the Army with my buddies for the cheap food and friendly people. As much as I like the place, the fry-cook shouldn't earn more than a college educated high-school science teacher. That's just stupid.
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