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I call Bullsh*t. Some people are poor because they are lazy, but the great majority of poor are poor because they were born into it and many tried as hard as they could and still couldn't get out. When you are very poor, you spend all your energy making sure you don't starve to death. Self-improvement goes out the window. You start making bad decisions because you are desperate.
Sometimes you can make good decisions and take good actions and it STILL turns out bad. This idea that everybody who is poor is that way by choice is really ridiculous. What if you get hit by a car while you're walking to your 3rd job? What if the house you could barely afford to keep burns down or gets washed away in a hurricane? What if your parents are disabled and you have to support them rather than saving your $?
I guess you don't care about any of that. Well, I do. Democrats do. We think when bad luck hits good people, the government should step in and help.
But the government already takes in enough money to help people. And no you do not know enough poor people to make the comment you did. My family owns property and we have had section 8 destroy the entire unit they were living in. Did the government step in and do something to help my family out? No. They were on their own and the section 8 still receives free housing from my parents tax money. Another tenent stayed all day in the house watching tv. Never for a year payed rent. He should have been looking out for work. Was he? No, he was at home watching tv and breaking the walls of the unit.
I care about people but the fact remains that they do not care for me in return. As already stated the government receives more than enough money to help the poor. So raising taxes shouldnt be necessary.
But I could care less you still wouldnt get it. You still believe taxes have to go up and you know what? Taxes are high as they already are and for personal income taxes the US ranks as one of the highest in the world. And that is a fact so where does all this money go to? Not to me or you or any one. I am not rich, nor do I care about being rich. If they make that much money to buy a ferrari or private jet. Good for them. It does not bother me. What bothers me are people like you. So much hatred in you that it sickens me.
If you say so "pops". Being a corn Farmer is a hard job. Hard work and little pay. The elements aren't always kind either. You deserve to earn more for the hard work you do. It seems sad that CEO's who sit on their butts get millions and hard working Farmers get so little. You can say you are happy with what you get, that's fine but it isn't getting what you are worth. This happens all over America. That is why i don't mind paying more tax, it's not because i'm being kind just being fair.
I disagree. Look -- I could be living in Africa in a mud hut starving and covered in maggots, or I could be living under an oppressive government without freedom of speech (i.e. China) where we couldn't be having this great debate. I could be blind or paralyzed or have had an arm blown off in a war. I could have been born with down syndrome. It could be a lot worse, and I am privileged to be be an American and thus to be better off than 85% of the world's population on my worst day. "There, but for the grace of God, go I."
I make enough money to have everything I need -- I have food, water, a warm bed to sleep in at night, a house and a truck (even if they're not new, big, or fancy), etc. I'm very grateful for these things, especially since many people in this world don't have them, so FAR be it from me to ***** and moan and say that I "should" have more and that it's everyone else's responsibility to give it to me.
I get paid a fair price -- enough to live on -- for what I spend my time and energy growing here on God's earth, and no one's ever tried to cheat me out of that.
It seems to me that people want money because "money buys happiness" -- money buys things like fast cars and TV sets and movie tickets and fancy food and lots of other things that people use to amuse and please themselves. And the unsaved -- those who don't know Christ -- may want to sit around selfishly trying to please themselves. They can try to buy happiness, and engorge themselves on fancy food, and engage in sin-pleasures like pornography and fornication and drinking. That's their prerogative, and they'll pay dearly for it later. Personally, I've got SO much to be thankful for (as previously mentioned), AND I've got the greatest gift of all: salvation through the Blood of the Lamb.
Give me a corn field in the warm, sunny South -- where it's just the sun and the crickets and the critters and God and me and the earth -- away from the cars and the trucks and the motors and the humming and buzzing and rush of modern life -- and that's happiness to me. No amount of money, no expensive city apartment, no fast imported sports car, NOTHING could make me happier. I'll take my old-fashioned, out-dated, slow-paced, relaxed "country" life any day...rather than a stress-induced heart attack in a million-dollar Manhattan apartment thanks to a high-stress fast-paced Wall Street job. Farming is hard work, yes, but I'm happy doing good clean honest work that leaves me happily tired at the end of the day, after I'm done working and singing the Lord's praises.
But stating that rich ppl (225 K is RICH???) deserve to pay more is unfair. They ALREADY pay more because they pay a percentage of their income, so if the income is higher, they pay a larger percentage.
This argument just doesn't fly.
I am not going to tell the millionaires they deserve to pay more than me because I am living a "hard life" in comparison to them.
I am sorry to sound harsh but there are always going to be poor people for a variety of reasons. That doesn't mean that wealthier people should have to support them.
P.S. Rice a roni is very expensive and i never use it. Buy a twenty pound bag of rice and make it yourself w/butter, angel hair spaghetti and a cube of chicken bouillion.
I feel that the wealthy should pay higher taxes than they do today.
The top 1% earn a disproportionate share of the income, the figure I hear the most is they earn 23% of the national income.
Taxes used to be much more progressive 40 years ago than they are now. The tax structure is now somewhat regressive. How can someone like Warren Buffet pay a lower effective tax rate than his secretary???? It's because investment income is barely taxed, while wages are taxed to the limit.
I think that the marginal tax rate on the income above the 95th percentile should be taxed at a considerably higher level than it is today... And I totally agree with the 'tax surcharge' for people earning over $1 million that is being discussed by Congress.
The wealthy get the lion's share of the income - they should pay higher marginal tax rates.
Is that fair? I don't think taxes are ever 'fair' - those who craft the tax law are choosing who wins and who loses. For the past 40 years, the middle-class has been designated as the losers.
I surely would support higher taxes on the wealthy...
I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of hypocrisy and jealousy going on here -- how many of you would be upset if you won 500 MILLION dollars in the Powerball lottery? Almost all of you wish you could afford whatever you want, whenever you want -- private jet, Ferrari, enormous plasma TV, mansion in Hawaii, whatever it may be. You make it sound like the "rich" are a bunch of selfish, evil, corrupt bastards who horde all the money in the world after having stolen it from its rightful owners, you (the lower-class and lower-middle-class). Which makes you all sound like Communists. But back to the point -- you make it sound like being rich is bad and rich people are bad people...but most of you would love to be rich. How many of you, if Donald Trump or Warren Buffet or Bill Gates were to cut you a check for a billion dollars, how many of you would honestly set it on fire and stomp on it (or throw it out, or put it directly in the church's collection plate, or whatever)?
I feel that the wealthy should pay higher taxes than they do today.
The top 1% earn a disproportionate share of the income, the figure I hear the most is they earn 23% of the national income.
Taxes used to be much more progressive 40 years ago than they are now. The tax structure is now somewhat regressive. How can someone like Warren Buffet pay a lower effective tax rate than his secretary???? It's because investment income is barely taxed, while wages are taxed to the limit.
I think that the marginal tax rate on the income above the 95th percentile should be taxed at a considerably higher level than it is today... And I totally agree with the 'tax surcharge' for people earning over $1 million that is being discussed by Congress.
The wealthy get the lion's share of the income - they should pay higher marginal tax rates.
Is that fair? I don't think taxes are ever 'fair' - those who craft the tax law are choosing who wins and who loses. For the past 40 years, the middle-class has been designated as the losers.
I surely would support higher taxes on the wealthy...
You're just another lying, selfish, jealous, vindictive idiot. Read all the previous posts, you might learn something.
Important points:
* You don't tax success. The fact that someone works hard and/or is very smart, and has something to show for it, means that they get to reap the rewards of their hard work and/or talents. The smart/talented/hard-working should not be punished and penalized for the failures and lackings of the dumb and the lazy.
* The only ethical tax is to have everyone pay the same percentage -- say, for example, 5% of their income.
I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of hypocrisy and jealousy going on here -- how many of you would be upset if you won 500 MILLION dollars in the Powerball lottery? Almost all of you wish you could afford whatever you want, whenever you want -- private jet, Ferrari, enormous plasma TV, mansion in Hawaii, whatever it may be. You make it sound like the "rich" are a bunch of selfish, evil, corrupt bastards who horde all the money in the world after having stolen it from its rightful owners, you (the lower-class and lower-middle-class). Which makes you all sound like Communists. But back to the point -- you make it sound like being rich is bad and rich people are bad people...but most of you would love to be rich. How many of you, if Donald Trump or Warren Buffet or Bill Gates were to cut you a check for a billion dollars, how many of you would honestly set it on fire and stomp on it (or throw it out, or put it directly in the church's collection plate, or whatever)?
If I were 'rich' I would be in favor of increased taxes on the rich - I would gladly pay a higher rate than is in effect today. Why wouldn't I? I would have a much greater disposable income than those lower on the economic ladder - and would be able to absorb the higher taxes without much pain...
And I would not call people who advocate higher taxes on the rich to be jealous or hypocritical.
I feel that the wealthy should pay higher taxes than they do today.
The top 1% earn a disproportionate share of the income, the figure I hear the most is they earn 23% of the national income.
Taxes used to be much more progressive 40 years ago than they are now. The tax structure is now somewhat regressive. How can someone like Warren Buffet pay a lower effective tax rate than his secretary???? It's because investment income is barely taxed, while wages are taxed to the limit.
I think that the marginal tax rate on the income above the 95th percentile should be taxed at a considerably higher level than it is today... And I totally agree with the 'tax surcharge' for people earning over $1 million that is being discussed by Congress.
The wealthy get the lion's share of the income - they should pay higher marginal tax rates.
Is that fair? I don't think taxes are ever 'fair' - those who craft the tax law are choosing who wins and who loses. For the past 40 years, the middle-class has been designated as the losers.
I surely would support higher taxes on the wealthy...
So how do you define "wealthy" then?
I am sorry. The government wants their 1/5 of your pie. FINE. You feel that you need more money, so you make a bigger pie. Since you had THE NERVE to go ahead and make a bigger pie, the government now wants 1/4.
How far is it going to go?
If your standing is that "rich" people should pay more, then I guess one issue that we need to look at is how much money makes one rich? I would say that someone is not "rich" until they make at least 500,000.
What percentage do you want to see the rich pay? if they are making $500,000 do you want them to pay 40%? 30%? how much is rich and what percentage do these rich people have to pay.
I think it is all bull$hit. Maybe more people would work if the government wasn't taking so much. I can tell you right now, they are losing money on me. Like hell am I going to go to work and inconvenience my family so my income can be rolled up w/my DH's and we can pay out 40% of my income to taxes. (plus gas, daycare, etc...) No, I don't think so.
And I don't care how much disposable income I have, it doesn't mean the government should be the one taking it and spending it.
On your stats, the top 1% making 23% of the income, what is the salary of the top 1%? Just curious......
I really would like to know what percentage of their income the early Americans were paying in taxes just before they decided to throw the tea in the harbor.
Does anyone have any insight on that? Would it be a greater or lesser percentage than today?
I find it funny that most people in this thread that make the assertion that 250k a year isn't that much, do so on the basis of their current location. Please, tell me where 250k at the very least isn't upper middle class? Even in California, in most locations, you can own pretty damn nice homes for that kinda income. In the rest of the country you could own mansions. Gimme a break. Don't go whinning to me that 250k a year isn't a sheet ton of money just because you wanna live in the heart of some major city.
Olbama wants to make each small business owner that makes over 250,000 dollars a year pay a tax.
Why would some think this is okay? I mean come one, you go out and make over 250,000 dollars a year and you have to pay extra tax for the middle class?
If someone doesn't like being middle class, then the middle class should find another job or start a business. I know that this doesn't happen overnight but I think if the person's tries and is confident getting a better job things turn out better.
And anyway,what's so wrong with middle class? What is so bad with makeing around 42,000 a year?
That's considered the average wage and I don't get why people think they should just get extra money because they make that much. These people are not even close to being poor or with poverty. Unless the spending habits are bad.
If someone is making 70,000 dollars a year and just spends like crazy they could be a lot worse off than a middle class.
I'm in college right now and I'm thinking: If I'm middle class, I don't want the government paying me out of it.
I don't expect the government to pay for my nights out since I'm not working full time in college.
It's up to me! not the government on how much money I should get.
It's up to me! To enjoy raising and family and enjoy being middle class or still enjoy a family making more money.
It's up to me! To be poor!
It's up to me! To try my best to change to higher paying job!
It's up to me! To try to find how to make more money! not the government
Sorry if I said, "It's up to me!" so many times but that's the real truth
And it's up to "you" to pay your taxes, one way or the other, as it's a fact of life. I guess for me I refer to property taxes as those hit me hard. I don't have kids in school, yet I pay for the elementary school four houses down from me. I am sure you have heard there are only two definites in life - taxes and death.
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