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McCain and Palin said Obama is a terrorist and socialist? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck .......
George W. Bush allowed the Bin Laden family to leave the United States on 9/12/01 on the only flight permitted in the country, and is currently in the process of nationalizing the American Banking and Insurance Systems, which would mean that the U.S. owns them and has therefore become socialist on a republican watch.
You're right. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
George W. Bush allowed the Bin Laden family to leave the United States on 9/12/01 on the only flight permitted in the country, and is currently in the process of nationalizing the American Banking and Insurance Systems, which would mean that the U.S. owns them and has therefore become socialist on a republican watch.
You're right. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
What does Bush have to do with anything. The topic is Democrats are anti white. BTW in case you didn't know, there were other people running for President than McCain and Obama. Don't assume that someone is Republican just because they oppose Democrats.
How is it that white people cause blacks to score lower on standardized tests?
Have you read no US history at all? Are you that totally ignorant of how we all got to where we are today? If not, why are you feigning such ignorance? To get to particulars, what value do you see in standardized tests? What do they measure and how accurately do they measure those things? You seem here to claim these tests as a yardstick of sorts...why do you do that? Lastly, what is it do you suspect that accounts for the discrepancies you report? Are black people innately dumber than whites? Are the tests themselves biased so as to make them easier for whites? Has the sort of instruction that would lead to strong performance on such tests been widely withheld from blacks? What exactly is or are the causes of these reported differences in your view?
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Why is it that blacks have to have points added to their cutting scores in order to edge out whites?
Can you be more specific, as in pointing out an actual scheme under which this happens? I'm not at all interested here in what you imagine to be the case. I would like to see an actual case in its totality. As an expert in the operation and effects of affirmative action, pick your best-case example and let's have a close-up look at it.
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No, I don't think blacks are unable to compete with whites.
That's very generous of you. You do seem to have a problem when they start beating you, however. You seem to suffer from Entitlement Syndrome in believing that all jobs or admissions are innately owed to whites and that whites are somehow diminshed each time one of those is awarded to a non-white.
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I think blacks have been told they can't compete with whites through the subtle racism of affirmative action that everyone knows is still in place because blacks don't to as well as whites on objective tests.
This may surprise you, but it is a fact that blacks and other minorities do not need to be told that the structure of society has long been stacked against them. So lacking in subtlety are these forms of discrimination that those affected are able to grow up with an everyday recognition and appreciation of them all on their own. Your theory assumes such minorities to be utter insouciants, persons incapable of recognizing their own situations without white assistance. All while claiming that others are racist. This is theater of the absurd.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The worst racist in the world are liberals.
I'm looking here at some of the exit polling data from the recent election, and based on that, I would have to say that this is a uniquely right-wing white position.
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Constantly pushing this "help" on otherwise capable blacks makes them perform at a lower level, lack confidence and fail to try things they should.
Has this effect also been observed among heavily favored whites over all these years? Did built-in systemic help and advantage serve to hold them back as well? I personally have come across no evidence of any such effect (quite the contrary, in fact), but perhaps you'll be able to point me toward some.
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This becomes obvious when a black student applies him/her self and is mocked by other blacks for "acting white".
Compare and contrast with a white student who applies him/herself and is mocked by other whites for "acting nerdy".
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Dr. Cosby pointed this out and was called an Uncle Tom for his frankness.
Examples? I don't recall anyone rushing in to claim that authentic blackness was characterized by drugs, crime, vulgarity, laziness, or insolence. Again, maybe I've missed something.
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He has learned what I've learned, you can't reason with liberals.
It is necessary to be able to reason at all first. Reason may involve gathering and verifying facts, then organizing and analyzing those according to established principles that may lead one to the drawing of one or more logical conclusions. Reason is not picking a conclusion, then scurrying about in a willy-nilly process of gathering up such anecdotes and outliers as might seem to lend some sense of pseudo-credibility to that conclusion.
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And just so you know, I mentor my sixteen year old niece by helping her with her homework, offering advice and guidance, providing her material educational needs (money, books, software, computers, etc.) and making sure she never forgets that females can do anything they choose to do. She understands too that she can do anything she sets her mind to and that the liberal mindset of self-pity and victimhood is poison to her self-confidence.
Wow. That's you and about 100 million other people who do that sort of thing. And of course, those are liberal values you are teaching her. You might as well be Gloria Steinem or Betty Friedan.
I read what was on his web site before the election.
Okay, so you'll just ignore the original question indefinitely. Lame, but not really unexpected.
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He almost seems uncertain of himself, as though looking for someone to tell him what to do.
Of his job interview with the Illinois Senator, [Patrick] Gaspard recalled Obama saying: "I think that I'm a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I'll tell you right now that I'm gonna think I'm a better political director than my political director."
Following the first general election debate between Obama and John McCain, Gaspard emailed his boss to praise him as "more clutch than Michael Jordan." The Democratic nominee replied: "Just give me the ball."
Yeah, there's a man steeped in uncertainty, utterly lacking in self-confidence, and fairly begging to be told what to do. Is it your approach to everything simply to make stuff up?
Carter tried the experimentation approach. He really screwed things up in a big way. And speaking of gulible, he thought he could negotiate with the Iranians. They told him to go jump in a lake. If he only would have installed a government in 1979 the Iran-Iraq war would have never taken place and 1.2 million people would have not died in it. Most likely the Russians would have stayed out of Afghanistan too thereby saving another two million lives provided Carter hadn't come off as such an appeaser.
Installed a government in 1979? What the he!! do you think was going on in Iran? How much outright make-believe and revisionism are you willing to engage in? Soviet deployment into Afghanistan had meanwhile begun in August of 1978, and the insurgency there had taken hold in the Spring of 1979. There is no connection to Iran. Saddam's invasion of Iran came late in 1980 and was a war of opportunity seeking to capitalize on a still weak central government. Even if there had been any conceivable way for the US to have installed a puppet regime, it would only have been weaker still by far. This whole bit is an assemblage of disjointed poppycock.
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I believe there is one reason for Obama's backpedaling and that is the reality of the situations the nation faces dictates our policies irregardless of who is president.
There is no such word as "irregardless" and Presidents are not constrained in their policy choices. Much like yourself, the current President felt no need even to recognize reality, much less be constrained by it. He believed in an imaginary world of his own and his advisors' invention. A choice by Obama to deal with actual reality will itself be a sign of "change".
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America is still in complete denial about the nature of the enemies we have who are determined to kill us and destroy our way of life. In the end, PC will be the death of us because we'll alway be looking for that common ground that we share with people who feel it their Islamic duty to kill those of us they cannot force to convert to Islam.
Oh, please! Why don't you tell us again the story of how dangerous those Flying Imams were? Tell us again how Iraqi shopkeepers and Yemeni farmers dream all day long of laying down their tools and coming to Topeka or Tallahassee with chainsaws in order to cut everybody's head off. You're delusional.
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Don't worry about the Republicans, we'll be back in two years with a voting public just chompin' at the bit to vote for conservatives. The Obama, Reid and Pelosi team will assure a great election 2012,
You better hope for massive failure of your country in the meantime. Barring such, Republicans have written themselves out of the picture for a decade or more. Everything you try fails. Everything you believe in is wrong. How many people are going to vote for that?
saganista, tried to leave you another point and at risk of criticism, I would like to say how fair, reasonable and well thought out are your arguments, but your greatest virtue is patience, I take my hat off to you.
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