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Old 01-30-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Here's the deal. Your medical information is and has been shared with other health care providers/labs/radiology depts/anyone involved in your health care, health care payors, pharmacys, disability insurers, workman's comp and life insurance companys for years. Nothing new there except you apparently didn't know it was happening.

If someone else pays for all or part of your health care, they have and have had access to your medical records. DONE DEAL.

At this time, all health care providers have already implemented Electronic Health Records, are in the process of doing so or have a date to start. DONE DEAL.

You can opt out of having your care made available to insurance companys by paying cash for your health care. You can opt out of your health care provider sharing your health information with another health care provider by only going to one and refusing referrals, consults, surgery, prescriptions and diagnostic tests of any type.

You cannot opt out of electronic health records.
All of my health records are sitting in my safe as I type this. I will not be giving any of me health info. voluntarily to the feds.
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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All of my health records are sitting in my safe as I type this. I will not be giving any of me health info. voluntarily to the feds.
Where did you get your health care? Have you had health insurance pay for any of your health care? Have you had lab work done? Have you had diagnostic testing of any kind? Have you had prescriptions? Etc, etc.... If you have had these services, you do not have all your health records.

And, medical records that a clinic, doctor, dentist, hospital, etc. have do not belong to you. They belong to the health care provider. You can have copies and have access to the records but the original records belong to the health care provider. I am a health care provider and was, early in my career, a co-director of a Primary Health Clinic. So, before you ask, yes I know what I'm talking about. If you have your original health records, it would be interesting to know how you got them. And if the health care provider gave them to you voluntarily, know that they either gave you copies or kept copies. NO WAY WILL A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER NOT HAVE COPIES OF HEALTH CARE THEY PROVIDED. Not in this litigious society!!
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:44 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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All of my health records are sitting in my safe as I type this. I will not be giving any of me health info. voluntarily to the feds.
Do you think you are the only person with access to your health records?
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Soon they will have all of our finger prints and DNA on file. If there is a rape or murder and they want to pin it on sombody that opposes them like Rush or somthing, then Bam his DNA is found on a rape victim. Having the libbys in power is the closet thing to 1984 that we will see.
This is probably the most paranoid illogical post I've seen on here.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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I don't know when the last time some of you went to the doctor, but my clinic has gone electronic, probably a couple years ago in fact. I know this because my nurse brings in her handy laptop w/her into the exam room & inputs everything she asks me. Surely it hasn't been 10 years since you've gone to the doctor??
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:10 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Where did you get your health care? Have you had health insurance pay for any of your health care? Have you had lab work done? Have you had diagnostic testing of any kind? Have you had prescriptions? Etc, etc.... If you have had these services, you do not have all your health records.

And, medical records that a clinic, doctor, dentist, hospital, etc. have do not belong to you. They belong to the health care provider. You can have copies and have access to the records but the original records belong to the health care provider. I am a health care provider and was, early in my career, a co-director of a Primary Health Clinic. So, before you ask, yes I know what I'm talking about. If you have your original health records, it would be interesting to know how you got them. And if the health care provider gave them to you voluntarily, know that they either gave you copies or kept copies. NO WAY WILL A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER NOT HAVE COPIES OF HEALTH CARE THEY PROVIDED. Not in this litigious society!!
No health insurance. No insurance of any kind in fact. The only doctor I've gone to has his own private practice and had no issue with giving me all of my health records. But I haven't gone to any doctor in quite a long time. I do my own doctoring to the extent I can do so correctly.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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No health insurance. No insurance of any kind in fact. The only doctor I've gone to has his own private practice and had no issue with giving me all of my health records. But I haven't gone to any doctor in quite a long time. I do my own doctoring to the extent I can do so correctly.
I have absolutely no doubt that your doctor has a copy of your health records. As far as I know, most if not all states require health care providers to keep your health records for a specific number of years. So, unless your health records, last visit, exceeded the lenght of time required by law, he/she has a copy of your health records.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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If that includes the mental health records, wow, the wingnuts will really be in big trouble....
What about people who are not whignuts, who are treated, stable and nobody knows? What if despite there being no reason to fire someone or push them into social exile their diagnosis is known and people react to the stigma. These people vastly vastly outnumber the wingnuts. People who are out of control and dangerous should be kept track of for specific reasons. People among the great number of those diagnosed with depression or treated stable bipolar disease, or OCD should NOT be "outed" unless they choose.

The medical database sounds great, but in reality it is a huge breach of privacy. Say someone has survived cancer. Company x is looking to hire them but discovers this. What if they decide that because it *might* incur more health costs they will pass on it despite this person being the best canditate they've seen for awhile? What if they keep a careful watch to see signs of illness so they can be laid off quickly? There are endless possibilites. How do you want every possible negative in your health being cataloged and stored, or any possible future negatives? Do we want people to become their medical history when there is a decision to be made.

This idea is a bad bad bad bad one and it will be a sad day for rights and privacy if/when it comes to be.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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This is probably the most paranoid illogical post I've seen on here.
I don't see this as paranoid at all. Wouldn't it be great for us to find the culpret instantly with dna and fingerprints, even if they were just someone who'd been there? What if data gets corrupted or mislabeled? How do you counter that while they are booking you into county jail. What if it was a vendetta against you or your family or to get you to tell on your friends? Would this still be paranoid and illogical?

We need to start thinking about rights and responsibilites and not how the nanny state is protecting us from cradle to grave. There is risk in life and concequences to it and if we don't want to all turn into robots we better remember that. Hopefully before its too late.

We need to remember that not all things are good that are justified by "Our safety from ...." or the other versions except for the sheep hearders.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:46 PM
 
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I'm 100% against a centralized medical database. In my industry it could very well be abused and compromise or even destroy careers. Horrible, horrible and completely unjustifiable idea.
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