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Because the Bush Republicon regime was such a rousing success? People elected Bush TWICE! Well, actually ONCE since he stole one. Talk about stupid. That whole snarling pack of war mongers and corporate wh@res Bush, Cheney, Wolfie, Rummie was an unprecedented disgrace and disaster that's effectively bankrupted this country not to mention the countless murdered and maimed by these war criminals. Whatever mistakes the Dems make pales in comparison to the Republicon atrocities.
You're right. I am so glad Obama has declared war on corporations and their evil profits. It so much better now that he's sticking it corporations, sending the stock market into a tailspin, eroding millions of peoples' pensions, and generally taking the economy to hell.
And about the war-mongers? Yeah, it's such a shame Iraq is now a budding democracy. I miss Saddam's torture chambers, rape rooms, and sponsorship of suicide bombers.
What's anti-American about actually contributing to the system in exchange for the privilege of voting? Oh I get it. Obama's America and it's disciples think lazy bottom feeders should be given more goodies than contributors.
Oh, now I get it! Barack Obama is the person responsible for allowing all citizens to vote! Well, for heaven's sake...why didn't you just say so right at the beginning of the thread?
What's anti-American about actually contributing to the system in exchange for the privilege of voting? Oh I get it. Obama's America and it's disciples think lazy bottom feeders should be given more goodies than contributors.
Wishing to deprive American citizens of the right to vote simply because, in your little neo-con fu*ked-up view of the world, they aren't sufficient "contributors" is anti-American. We live in a democracy. If you want to live in a fascist state, pack up your sh*t and move on.
We aren't talking about "dignity" not being given to the non-producers and bottom-feeders. We're talking about a privilege that should be earned. If you do not contribute in the system, why should you have a say in the sytem? Why do you liberals insist on getting something for nothing?
Why do you foaming at the mouth neo-cons insist on blaming others for the monumental disasters you create? The mature responsible thing to do would be to accept responsibility for your atrocities and shut up for a while and let intelligent mature adults try and clean up the unprecedented disasters you've created but like the rabid dogs you are the more you're rejected and vilified the more you snarl, lash out, whine and blame others. The public has rejected your morally, socially and economically bankrupt policies and have voted to abandon your failed policies. Stop being such sore losers and go back behind closed doors with your corporate and military lobbyists and start planning your next takeover.
The trainwreck that is the Obama admiinistration has shown we need to reform voting standards NOW. Suggestions:
1) Only those paying income tax may vote.
2) Raise the minimum voting age to 25.
The framers were onto something when they said only landowners could vote. They founders knew voting was a privilege and only active contributors to the system should have a say.
We should revert to that mentality today. Only those who show gross income on their tax returns should be allowed to vote. If you don't contribute, you don't deserve the privilege. We use the gross figure so as not to penalize people who play the game but have earned tax credits or other deductions which help the economy (such as charitable contributions and depreciation for rental property).
If you're a welfare momma, you stay home on election day. This isn't a punishment; it's the absence of a privilege. Only those who support the system should get a say in how money is spent. If you only sponge off society, why should you get to vote yourself more benefits?
This would go along way in slowing the cycle of inter-generational dependency the Democrats have created. It would also curtail their practice of getting elected by buying votes as Obama has done. And above all, it will reverse the ever-looming point-of-no-return threshold where more than half the population pays no taxes. (See the Roman Empire).
As for a minimum voting age, I think it's important to have first-hand historical perspective. 1992 seems like yesterday to me. For those who recall, we had a similar situation as we have today. We had an unqualified candidate in Bill Clinton with a thin resume and questionable character getting a total pass. We saw the results; an ineffective incompetent morally bankrupt president whose big legacy was getting impeached. We paid for his inaction against terrorism with 9-11. You could argue Clinton's incompetence and inattention to the job (he spent all of 1998 working on his impeachment defense) caused 9-11 and thus the Iraq War. Economically, Clinton's actions with the CRA were the foundation of the mortgage crisis and the subsequent severe recession we are in. Yes, we are still paying and paying dearly because the media failed to scrutinize Bill Clinton.
The problem is, many young voters don't remember any of this. An 18-year-old is too young to have witnessed the backstory, and to have seen the disaster from a media that does not vet liberal candidates.
The result? History has repeated itself. We again elected a completely unvetted unqualified incompetent dishonest candidate in Obama who, only a month in, is wreaking disaster on this country and this economy. And as with Bill Clinton, America will be paying a dear price for decades to come for not heeding history.
Do you really think a homeless bum living over a grate downtown, or a 20-year-old unmarried high school dropout on welfare with three kids should have an equal say in choosing our leadership as the guy working 70 hours a week, employing five workers, and raising a decent family?
I don't. We need voting reform NOW!
NO you want to stack the deck in favor of your candidate. If you think it's has to be 25 to vote then tell that to the 18 yr old defending your country!!!!! See how he feel's about that! And as for the Homeless(person, could be you some day)over the grate downtown how quickly you forget he / she is still an AMERICAN and with that comes the right to vote. Something i hope you or anyone ever get's the power to take away!
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Oh, now I get it! Barack Obama is the person responsible for allowing all citizens to vote! Well, for heaven's sake...why didn't you just say so right at the beginning of the thread?
No, but Obama certainly believes in giving people goodies they didn't earn. Why would anybody be that way? Doesn't it offend your sense of fairness?
The trainwreck that is the Obama admiinistration has shown we need to reform voting standards NOW. Suggestions:
1) Only those paying income tax may vote. 2) Raise the minimum voting age to 25.
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The idea is dead in the water based on this alone. Men and women who are barely out of high school have been, and are being, sent to the battlefield to fight, and sometimes die, for our freedom. You're saying that because they are under 25 they can't vote? I don't think so...
You're right. I am so glad Obama has declared war on corporations and their evil profits. It so much better now that he's sticking it corporations, sending the stock market into a tailspin, eroding millions of peoples' pensions, and generally taking the economy to hell.
And about the war-mongers? Yeah, it's such a shame Iraq is now a budding democracy. I miss Saddam's torture chambers, rape rooms, and sponsorship of suicide bombers.
No, let's let make it official and let's appoint corporate CEOs co-presidents and give them a few hundred billion more while they blackmail our country with their Ponzi schemes. That's basically what happened under Bush. The market has been in a tailspin WAAAAY before O got handed this mess but of course the neo-con cowards who caused it waste no time shirking responsibility and blaming others.
You don't really give a crap about Iraq or Saddam do you. If you're such a big supporter of human rights than I guess you're rooting for an invasion of China since they've been butchering, slaughtering, raping and pillaging the Tibetans for decades. Or how about N. Korea. They actually DO have those pesky little things called WMDs. We wouldn't have to lie about that. How about Iran? They're getting pretty close. Why don't you give us a list of wars you wouldn't support. That would be a pretty short list because war mongers are happiest when they're attacking and destroying things. Doesn't really matter what.
Who in their right mind would suggest squandering TRILLIONS of OUR TAX PAYER dollars and bankrupting our country and killing and maiming hundreds of thousands and the torture and human rights violations WE caused was a fair trade off? When we do it it's called spreading democracy. I call it hypocrisy/democracy.
Wishing to deprive American citizens of the right to vote simply because, in your little neo-con fu*ked-up view of the world, they aren't sufficient "contributors" is anti-American. We live in a democracy. If you want to live in a fascist state, pack up your sh*t and move on.
No, asking people to help out in exchange for privileges is totally American. Giving some people something for nothing is symptomatic of a socialist state.
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