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Old 05-03-2009, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's funny. In my business and dealings, nobody ever talks or thinks about race. We think about competence.
Same in mine...but I tend to think that things in Mississippi/Alabama/South Carolina may be a bit different.

 
Old 05-03-2009, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And his constituents have reelected him over and over again. The only ones still obsessed with the prostitution scandal are right-wing Republicans, who have nothing to do with his election.
True, though I have concerns with any elected official who blatantly violates any law. Whether the law should be changed or not is irrelevant. Until it is, they have far more of a duty to comply than the rest of us do.
 
Old 05-03-2009, 10:42 PM
 
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True, though I have concerns with any elected official who blatantly violates any law.
Oh, I agree with you on that. My understanding is that he did not know that the young guy living with him was seeing clients while Barney was away. I think the whole thing was overblown. It's really not difficult to hide that you're a prostitute when you're working on your own. And how many clients a day was the guy seeing? One or two? That would be very easy to hide.
 
Old 05-03-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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First of all, there is no "far right". This is just a term invented by liberals to disparage ALL religious conservatives. And by the way, 60 percent of Americans according to Battleground poll describe themselves as "conservative or somewhat conservative". 76.5% of Americans describe themselves as "Christian." This is not the GOP; this is the whole country
The Battleground Poll: 60% of Americans Describe Themselves As Conservative | Say Anything: North Dakota's Most Popular Political Blog (http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_battleground_poll_60_of_americans_describe_the mselves_as_conservative/ - broken link)
Religious identification in the U.S.

So the idea that just a tiny loud minority of Christian conservative crazies are hijacking the GOP and causing them to lose elections is ludicrous, bigoted, and designed to create a false impression. The vast majority of us ARE Christian conservatives. The reality is, it's the liberals and moderates and those who follow their advice who are losing elections for the GOP.

Sorry, I just don't listen to the liberal media for tips on how to heal my party, anyway. They don't have our best interests at heart. The reason we've lost is because we've taken the media and the moderates' advice. Their narrative goes like this: If we just drop a few things from our platform like the pro-life plank, imagine how many more female voters and moderates we could get. We need to stop being obstructionist and try to get along. We need to reach across the aisle and be more likeable. We need to be more compassionate to the poor, and to do that we need more social spending.

That kind of thinking got us John McCain. He followed that advice to a tee. He worked very hard to get along with Democrats, scorned traditional conservative values, hugged the liberals, wooed the press, and promptly caused us to get our asses beat.

Arlen Spector said "the GOP has moved to the far right". That's the same canard the MSM uses. It's false. The GOP is less, not more, conservative or "right-wing" than we were 15 years ago when we swept control of Congress. And that is why we've lost.

The hardliners are right. We stick to our core conservative principles; staunchly pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, tax cuts, spending cuts, pro capitalist, anti-greenpeace whackjob environmental restrictions, we will start to win elections again. We'll let all the selfish opportunists like Spector, McCain, Hagel, Collins, and Snowe either get onboard or ge off the train. And we'll talk about our plans loudly and often like the GOP did in 1994.

But if we listen to all the anti-Palin moderate pukes out there, those who are embarrassed about the pro-life position, those who are afraid not to be accepted on the DC cocktail circuit, and those who want to be praised by the leftwing media, we're guaranteed to be a minority for a long time.

And for godsake, let's stop sabotaging ourselves by getting rid of our good conservatives because the liberals create a fuss. Tom Delay, Trent Lott et. al. You never see Democrats resign no matter how egregious their behavior is. Hell, William Jefferson can stash $90,000 in a freezer, Clinton's stooge can stuff official documents in his pants, and Barney Frank can run a prostitution ring in his basement. Never any calls for resignation. 'But you let Mark Foley send an email to a kid...no action, just an email...and we get him to resign. We eat our own. We allow George Allen to get hammered by the Washington Post for uttering some nebulous esoteric nonsense word, we allow him to be somehow miraculously cast as a racist for that, and we allow him to get beat without having raised a huge uproar. It's time to STOP listening to the damn leftwing media and the so-called moderates (who are really liberals) for advice on what we should do.

Be conservative. Shout it from the rooftops. Give people confidence. Do what we KNOW is right, and what has been PROVEN to work. Why on earth have we abandoned the proven formula for success. Bold unapologetic conservatism.
By all means, do proceed full steam ahead.

BTW, please contact the GOP group National Council for a New America,. They're going around on a "listening tour" to figure out how to "re-brand" the GOP. I understand Jeb Bush and Eric Cantor are spearheading the group. I'm sure they'd be most interested in what you have to say.
 
Old 05-04-2009, 05:41 AM
 
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One big difference is that Lieberman wanted to remain a Democrat, albeit an "independent Democrat", as I believe he refers to himself, and he still caucuses with the Democrats to this day. Specter didn't even want to be an independent Republican. He left the Republican Party completely. He'll be caucusing with the Democrats.
The difference is Lieberman has always behaved like a liberal. Specter behaved like a conservative only at election time.
 
Old 05-04-2009, 05:43 AM
 
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And his constituents have reelected him over and over again. The only ones still obsessed with the prostitution scandal are right-wing Republicans, who have nothing to do with his election.
Yeah, the Democrats had no problem with a prostitution ring, but were outraged at a guy who wrote a couple of emails, then resigned.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
Old 05-04-2009, 05:46 AM
 
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Oh, I agree with you on that. My understanding is that he did not know that the young guy living with him was seeing clients while Barney was away. I think the whole thing was overblown. It's really not difficult to hide that you're a prostitute when you're working on your own. And how many clients a day was the guy seeing? One or two? That would be very easy to hide.
I don't get it. We're supposed to take the word of a guy who claims he didn't know there was a gay prostitution ring in his house, but we're not supposed to believe a guy and end his career when he says he didn't know what some silly nonsense word meant.
 
Old 05-04-2009, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I suggest the Republican Party redevelop itself as the internationally interventionist, morally correct pro church (establish the Baptist church as the official Church of America), anti income tax (replace progressive income taxes with a flat tax), pro military (reestablish a draft with exemptions for the rich and the Christian) and anti uppity women (no abortion or birth control and no positions of power or wealth) Party.

This way they will be true to their fundamental beliefs instead of trying to fool us every four years.
 
Old 05-04-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Yeah, the Democrats had no problem with a prostitution ring, but were outraged at a guy who wrote a couple of emails, then resigned.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
Republicans weren't outraged by Mark Foley's behavior?
 
Old 05-04-2009, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Republicans weren't outraged by Mark Foley's behavior?
I'm a libertarian-leaning Democrat and I wasn't. Not a bit.
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