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Old 05-03-2009, 06:37 PM
 
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The war was criminal, evil, and destructive to the interests not only of America but of all civilization in general. Iraq today is a miserable, squalid little semi-satellite of Iran, which is the very country you psychotics and bomb-happy maniacs are now demanding we start another war with.
The war showed our allies we do what we say, and it showed our enemies the same. During Bush's term worldwide violence was at its lowest level in recorded history.

 
Old 05-03-2009, 06:39 PM
 
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During Bush's term worldwide violence was at its lowest level in recorded history.
You picked that one out of thin air....
 
Old 05-03-2009, 06:39 PM
 
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The war showed our allies we do what we say, and it showed our enemies the same. During Bush's term worldwide violence was at its lowest level in recorded history.
Do you have a link for that info?
 
Old 05-03-2009, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The war was a nightmare and an insane idea. PERIOD.
 
Old 05-03-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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Do you have a link for that info?
Yep. http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articl...20Republic.pdf
 
Old 05-03-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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During Bush's term worldwide violence was at its lowest level in recorded history.
Interesting. Please provide a source for this statement.

Ahh...I see.

http://www.hsrgroup.org/
 
Old 05-03-2009, 07:21 PM
 
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The publication you linked to actually says NOTHING about violence during the Bush administration... were you taking generous liberty at interpreting (spinning) what the article said????
 
Old 05-03-2009, 07:27 PM
 
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First of all, there is no "far right". This is just a term invented by liberals to disparage ALL religious conservatives. And by the way, 60 percent of Americans according to Battleground poll describe themselves as "conservative or somewhat conservative". 76.5% of Americans describe themselves as "Christian." This is not the GOP; this is the whole country
The Battleground Poll: 60% of Americans Describe Themselves As Conservative | Say Anything: North Dakota's Most Popular Political Blog (http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_battleground_poll_60_of_americans_describe_the mselves_as_conservative/ - broken link)
Religious identification in the U.S.

So the idea that just a tiny loud minority of Christian conservative crazies are hijacking the GOP and causing them to lose elections is ludicrous, bigoted, and designed to create a false impression. The vast majority of us ARE Christian conservatives. The reality is, it's the liberals and moderates and those who follow their advice who are losing elections for the GOP.

Sorry, I just don't listen to the liberal media for tips on how to heal my party, anyway. They don't have our best interests at heart. The reason we've lost is because we've taken the media and the moderates' advice. Their narrative goes like this: If we just drop a few things from our platform like the pro-life plank, imagine how many more female voters and moderates we could get. We need to stop being obstructionist and try to get along. We need to reach across the aisle and be more likeable. We need to be more compassionate to the poor, and to do that we need more social spending.

That kind of thinking got us John McCain. He followed that advice to a tee. He worked very hard to get along with Democrats, scorned traditional conservative values, hugged the liberals, wooed the press, and promptly caused us to get our asses beat.

Arlen Spector said "the GOP has moved to the far right". That's the same canard the MSM uses. It's false. The GOP is less, not more, conservative or "right-wing" than we were 15 years ago when we swept control of Congress. And that is why we've lost.

The hardliners are right. We stick to our core conservative principles; staunchly pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, tax cuts, spending cuts, pro capitalist, anti-greenpeace whackjob environmental restrictions, we will start to win elections again. We'll let all the selfish opportunists like Spector, McCain, Hagel, Collins, and Snowe either get onboard or ge off the train. And we'll talk about our plans loudly and often like the GOP did in 1994.

But if we listen to all the anti-Palin moderate pukes out there, those who are embarrassed about the pro-life position, those who are afraid not to be accepted on the DC cocktail circuit, and those who want to be praised by the leftwing media, we're guaranteed to be a minority for a long time.

And for godsake, let's stop sabotaging ourselves by getting rid of our good conservatives because the liberals create a fuss. Tom Delay, Trent Lott et. al. You never see Democrats resign no matter how egregious their behavior is. Hell, William Jefferson can stash $90,000 in a freezer, Clinton's stooge can stuff official documents in his pants, and Barney Frank can run a prostitution ring in his basement. Never any calls for resignation. 'But you let Mark Foley send an email to a kid...no action, just an email...and we get him to resign. We eat our own. We allow George Allen to get hammered by the Washington Post for uttering some nebulous esoteric nonsense word, we allow him to be somehow miraculously cast as a racist for that, and we allow him to get beat without having raised a huge uproar. It's time to STOP listening to the damn leftwing media and the so-called moderates (who are really liberals) for advice on what we should do.

Be conservative. Shout it from the rooftops. Give people confidence. Do what we KNOW is right, and what has been PROVEN to work. Why on earth have we abandoned the proven formula for success. Bold unapologetic conservatism.

Delightful. Defending a congressman preying on young pages and a Senator who calls an Indian man a monkey... keep it up! It's funny how some folks want to move the party to the future as a big tent party and others are just intent on keeping it a regional, old, white-man party. Cool...
 
Old 05-03-2009, 08:07 PM
 
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The publication you linked to actually says NOTHING about violence during the Bush administration... were you taking generous liberty at interpreting (spinning) what the article said????
God, not only do I have to provide the link, do I have to read it for you, too?

"Today (2007) we are probably living in the most peaceful moment of our species' time on earth"

"Meanwhile, according to political scientist, Barbara Harff, between 1989 and 2005, the number of mass killing of civilians decreased by 90%"

"..the abuses at Abu Graib and the lethal injections of a few muderers in Texas are mild by standards of atrocity in human history"

http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articl...20Republic.pdf
 
Old 05-03-2009, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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EEE - let me ask you this:

Is either oil or spreading democracy in places the people don't want it worth risking the lives of millions of AMERICAN young men and costing America trillions of dollars?

Please answer the question.
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