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Old 05-02-2009, 07:01 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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Originally Posted by Eeeee22895 View Post
It so happens that what's right is also what's religious 99% of the time. That's a problem for you anti-religious folks, isn't it?
They hate the thought of having a higher power to answer to in the afterlife.

Atheism is a religion of feel-good. It is all about self gratification. Ohh babies being made? We will fix that with abortion. Just kill the young child that was created from a few minutes of fun. etc... on and on they go.

 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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The pigs kept him down - and they were on both sides of the aisle.

The pigs are anti-American.
First time ever I agree with you. Make a note.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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Be conservative. Shout it from the rooftops. Give people confidence. Do what we KNOW is right, and what has been PROVEN to work. Why on earth have we abandoned the proven formula for success. Bold unapologetic conservatism.


excellent post. As a republican I am tired of holding my nose and voting. Obama didn't win because he was what this country needed. He won because we didn't have a real choice.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:04 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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excellent post. As a republican I am tired of holding my nose and voting. Obama didn't win because he was what this country needed. He won because we didn't have a real choice.
Amen lady!
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:07 PM
NCN
 
Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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First of all, there is no "far right". This is just a term invented by liberals to disparage ALL religious conservatives. And by the way, 60 percent of Americans according to Battleground poll describe themselves as "conservative or somewhat conservative". 76.5% of Americans describe themselves as "Christian." This is not the GOP; this is the whole country
The Battleground Poll: 60% of Americans Describe Themselves As Conservative | Say Anything: North Dakota's Most Popular Political Blog (http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_battleground_poll_60_of_americans_describe_the mselves_as_conservative/ - broken link)
Religious identification in the U.S.

So the idea that just a tiny loud minority of Christian conservative crazies are hijacking the GOP and causing them to lose elections is ludicrous, bigoted, and designed to create a false impression. The vast majority of us ARE Christian conservatives. The reality is, it's the liberals and moderates and those who follow their advice who are losing elections for the GOP.

Sorry, I just don't listen to the liberal media for tips on how to heal my party, anyway. They don't have our best interests at heart. The reason we've lost is because we've taken the media and the moderates' advice. Their narrative goes like this: If we just drop a few things from our platform like the pro-life plank, imagine how many more female voters and moderates we could get. We need to stop being obstructionist and try to get along. We need to reach across the aisle and be more likeable. We need to be more compassionate to the poor, and to do that we need more social spending.

That kind of thinking got us John McCain. He followed that advice to a tee. He worked very hard to get along with Democrats, scorned traditional conservative values, hugged the liberals, wooed the press, and promptly caused us to get our asses beat.

Arlen Spector said "the GOP has moved to the far right". That's the same canard the MSM uses. It's false. The GOP is less, not more, conservative or "right-wing" than we were 15 years ago when we swept control of Congress. And that is why we've lost.

The hardliners are right. We stick to our core conservative principles; staunchly pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, tax cuts, spending cuts, pro capitalist, anti-greenpeace whackjob environmental restrictions, we will start to win elections again. We'll let all the selfish opportunists like Spector, McCain, Hagel, Collins, and Snowe either get onboard or ge off the train. And we'll talk about our plans loudly and often like the GOP did in 1994.

But if we listen to all the anti-Palin moderate pukes out there, those who are embarrassed about the pro-life position, those who are afraid not to be accepted on the DC cocktail circuit, and those who want to be praised by the leftwing media, we're guaranteed to be a minority for a long time.

And for godsake, let's stop sabotaging ourselves by getting rid of our good conservatives because the liberals create a fuss. Tom Delay, Trent Lott et. al. You never see Democrats resign no matter how egregious their behavior is. Hell, William Jefferson can stash $90,000 in a freezer, Clinton's stooge can stuff official documents in his pants, and Barney Frank can run a prostitution ring in his basement. Never any calls for resignation. 'But you let Mark Foley send an email to a kid...no action, just an email...and we get him to resign. We eat our own. We allow George Allen to get hammered by the Washington Post for uttering some nebulous esoteric nonsense word, we allow him to be somehow miraculously cast as a racist for that, and we allow him to get beat without having raised a huge uproar. It's time to STOP listening to the damn leftwing media and the so-called moderates (who are really liberals) for advice on what we should do.

Be conservative. Shout it from the rooftops. Give people confidence. Do what we KNOW is right, and what has been PROVEN to work. Why on earth have we abandoned the proven formula for success. Bold unapologetic conservatism.
Great post but don't hold your breath until some of the posters on this thread learn how to read.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:08 PM
 
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You are basing EVERYTHING on abortion. Here are the abortion stances in case you'd like to know:

1) LW extremist - abortion should be permitted in all cases upon the woman's request...even the day before the child would otherwise be born. The fetus means nothing and abortion is a surgical procedure tantamount to a nose job.

2) Moderate liberal - abortion should be permitted until the 23rd/24th week with no further restrictions

3) Moderate - abortion should be permitted until the 23rd/24th week, parental consent should be required for minors, women should be required to view an ultrasound, a 24-72-hour waiting period should be required before abortion, and abortion should be discouraged (even though they feel it should be legal). Many moderates would feel abortion should be banned ideally, but are willing to support its continued legalization solely because otherwise they realize women may perform their own dangerous abortions or otherwise receive them in dangerous environments.

4) Moderate conservative - abortion should not be permitted except in the case of rape or medical necessity

5) RW extremist - abortion should not be permitted even if the woman's life is at risk, even if she was raped, etc. She is a slave to the fetus even if she had no say in its creation. It is part of a woman's duty to die to accomodate the fetus (even if the fetus would die as well). No one should use the pill or plan B because it could cause a risk to the fetus. No one should wear condoms, because "promiscuous" sex must be legislated and discouraged at all costs.
Abortion is an issue that can have only two basic classifications rather than the large continuum you propose. See, either you think it's OK to kill a living human being with its full complement of chromosomes, or you don't. There isn't a gray area. Those who oppose the Pill, understand that by preventing unterine attachment, you are effectively killing a living human. Again, no gray area. What condoms has to do with abortion is a mystery. That's totally another issue.

So here are the more accurate classifications as per abortion:

1) Conservative - You oppose the killing of all living human beings, at any embryonic or fetal stage.

2) Liberal- You do not oppose the killing of all living human beings at any embryonic or fetal stage.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:09 PM
 
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Great post but don't hold your breath until some of the posters on this thread learn how to read.
LOL. I typed slowly for their benefit.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:29 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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LOL. I typed slowly for their benefit.
Too bad you didn't think slowly and carefully - you possibly would have made an ounce of sense if you did - but instead, your posts sound like a lot of religious right-wing dogma...
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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Abortion is an issue that can have only two basic classifications rather than the large continuum you propose. See, either you think it's OK to kill a living human being with its full complement of chromosomes, or you don't. There isn't a gray area. Those who oppose the Pill, understand that by preventing unterine attachment, you are effectively killing a living human. Again, no gray area. What condoms has to do with abortion is a mystery. That's totally another issue.

So here are the more accurate classifications as per abortion:

1) Conservative - You oppose the killing of all living human beings, at any embryonic or fetal stage.

2) Liberal- You do not oppose the killing of all living human beings at any embryonic or fetal stage.
Your positions (and logic) are totally absurd... and an example of why we all need to fight religious extremists - whether they be Christian or Muslim. There is very little difference between some bible thumpers and the Taliban...

There are HUGE grey areas in all that you state above - it's just that you and some of the other posters in this thread are too blinded by their devotion to religious dogma that they have lost the ability for rational thought.

Taking the pill is NOT killing a human being - that is the dumbest thing I've read in years... sounds like an unscientific, religious superstition to me... like something that Dubya would have said...

Why don't you just keep your religious superstitions in your little sheltered and protected religious community that you probably live in???
 
Old 05-02-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: NJ
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i am pro-life and it has absolutely nothing to do with religion. i am without religious beliefs.
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