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I wonder sometimes how some people get through normal life, you know, having real life (non-internet) debates or arguments with acquaintances, friends, coworkers, or relatives when they don't have links with them to "prove" what they say. Maybe we should all start carrying around text books and magazines, just in case we might happen to debate anything with anyone.
Most people in real life don't make things up. The internet is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
Fortunately I don't have to carry around text books I use my little old brain. But I find it is helpful to debunk the non sense one reads on the internet with, wait for it.....facts!
You are kidding right. Your own link says the studies are not valid. Please pull from you link anything that would support you statement.
The link explains that there are no organic differences in the brains of people of various races. It discounts claims by racist and white supremist groups which have used the discrepancies between the average IQs of various races to try and prove that there are organic or biological differences, or that one race is inherently smarter than or superior to another.
This does not change the fact that the graph in the article is accurate.
And that the median IQs of various races (blacks, whites, Native Americans, Asians) as well as various socioeconomic classes (affluent, middle-class, poor/disadvantaged) show marked discrepancies.
This is indisputable, and is not disputed by any legitimate authority.
What is in dispute is whether the IQ test itself is faulty/flawed/racist/classist/whatever, and- if not- then what other reasons there could be for this phenomenon.
The article gives a good overview of what those likely reasons are (health, environmental factors, etc).
The link explains that there are no organic differences in the brains of people of various races. It discounts claims by racist and white supremist groups which have used the discrepancies between the average IQs of various races to try and prove that there are organic or biological differences, or that one race is inherently smarter than or superior to another.
This does not change the fact that the graph in the article is accurate.
And that the median IQs of various races (blacks, whites, Native Americans, Asians) as well as various socioeconomic classes (affluent, middle-class, poor/disadvantaged) show marked discrepancies.
This is indisputable, and is not disputed by any legitimate authority.
What is in dispute is whether the IQ test itself is faulty/flawed/racist/classist/whatever, and- if not- then what other reasons there could be for this phenomenon.
The article gives a good overview of what those likely reasons are (health, environmental factors, etc).
OK so you can't substantiate your claim. It's OK.
If anyone cares to look at the graph look at the average IQ for whites.
Most people in real life don't make things up. The internet is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
Fortunately I don't have to carry around text books I use my little old brain. But I find it is helpful to debunk the non sense one reads on the internet with, wait for it.....facts!
Hah! Most people in RL don't make stuff up? What a laugh (comedy gold). I can't tell you how many bull**** stories I have heard from real life people. But hey, you go ahead and compartmentalize. Whatever works. Profound arrogance is all the rage, I hear.
Hah! Most people in RL don't make stuff up? What a laugh (comedy gold). I can't tell you how many bull**** stories I have heard from real life people. But hey, you go ahead and compartmentalize. Whatever works. Profound arrogance is all the rage, I hear.
My friend would you like to defend the assertions of Jane 72?
If you can't discern her statements are false, I question your ability to judge fact from fiction in real life.
My claim about median IQ scores?
Have you bothered (for the third time) to look at the graph in the link provided?
Or just look it up yourself, for heaven sake.
It's not a real controversial or extraordinary claim.
It's extremely well-established that those who are affluent, white, and male have median IQs around 115-120, while those who are not affluent, not white, and not male have lower IQs than that. In fact, those who are not affluent or white tend to have IQs well below 100. Well below 90. Well, well below.
None of this is even debatable.
It's an established fact.
What's debatable (and what is debated, in academic circles) is why.
My friend would you like to defend the assertions of Jane 72?
If you can't discern her statements are false, I question your ability to judge fact from fiction in real life.
Who appointed you as the all-seeing-eye? And I am certainly NOT your friend.
Get your nose out of the air and realize you're no better or wiser than anyone else here.
Good lord.
Really, your pedantry is not a desirable trait. This semantic obsession of yours has nothing to do with the OP, and just makes you look sillier and more aloof by the minute.
My claim about median IQ scores?
Have you bothered (for the third time) to look at the graph in the link provided?
Or just look it up yourself, for heaven sake.
It's not a real controversial or extraordinary claim.
It's extremely well-established that those who are affluent, white, and male have median IQs around 115-120, while those who are not affluent, not white, and not male have lower IQs than that. In fact, those who are not affluent or white tend to have IQs well below 100. Well below 90. Well, well below.
None of this is even debatable.
It's an established fact.
What's debatable (and what is debated, in academic circles) is why.
Yikes I posted your graph and it shows no such thing. Please if it so established and beyond debate post something more authoritative than Wikipedia.
Again you continue to move the goal posts now it is affluent white males. That is a new parameter.
By the way it still doesn't matter.
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Yikes I posted you graph and it shows no such thing. Please if it so established and beyond debate post something more authoritative than Wikipedia.
Again you continue to move the goal posts now it is affluent white males. That is a new parameter.
By the way it still doesn't matter.
The gender discrepancies are slight. A matter of a couple of points one way or the other.
The real gaps are between races and socio-economic classes, and I've never "moved the goalposts"; I've said so from the beginning.
Who appointed you as the all-seeing-eye? And I am certainly NOT your friend.
Get your nose out of the air and realize you're no better or wiser than anyone else here.
Good lord.
Really, your pedantry is not a desirable trait. This semantic obsession of yours has nothing to do with the OP, and just makes you look sillier and more aloof by the minute.
Eh, it is 1:22 in the morning I have nothing better to do.
And still no support.
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