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Old 09-17-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No, I favor a strong defense system that is in place so that it doesn't have to be used.
Me too! Defending America!
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Fairfax
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So, you'd favor saber-rattling bluster? THAT's really worked well in the past.
Saber rattling did the job of making sure WW3 never happened during the cold war. Some people need to open a history book!

That said, I'm opposed to this shield for one reason: why are we still subsidizing the EU's defense? These are European countries and they should be the EU's responsibility to defend. I'm all for missile shields but base them in North America and in ships closer to trouble points.
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Saber rattling did the job of making sure WW3 never happened during the cold war. Some people need to open a history book!

That said, I'm opposed to this shield for one reason: why are we still subsidizing the EU's defense? These are European countries and they should be the EU's responsibility to defend. I'm all for missile shields but base them in North America and in ships closer to trouble points.
I don't think many would agree with your highly hypothetical scenario.

Edit: I agree with your 2nd point.
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:47 AM
 
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Saber rattling did the job of making sure WW3 never happened during the cold war. Some people need to open a history book!

That said, I'm opposed to this shield for one reason: why are we still subsidizing the EU's defense? These are European countries and they should be the EU's responsibility to defend. I'm all for missile shields but base them in North America and in ships closer to trouble points.


Not really, the closest we came to WW III was probably the Cuban Misslie Crisis, and that was solved by good old fashioned horse trading (missiles in Turkey for missiles in Cuba) more than by saber-rattling. That's what the history books say.
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Russia successfully got obama to back off without giving ANYTHING away.

The Russians know a weak, pacifist liberal when they see one.
what 0bama needs are a couple more teenage pirates to make him look tough again.
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Is Obama on the side of Russia and Iran! I almost start to believe that he wants to destroy this country from the inside!
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Obama is in the process of destroying long time relationships with sound allies, preferring to remake our policies so they'll be "acceptable" to the likes of Russia, Iran and Venezuela. These actions and his blind admiration of the U.N. are truly worrisome.

The leaders of those countries are much tougher with more "street smarts" than Obama and are playing him like a fine tuned violin, but he's too naive and too much of an egotist to realize that. He is, however, a bully and a bully always backs down from a bigger bully.

I believe that he truly sees himself as some sort of "global" president and is willing to do what is necessary to change the landscape of America to make it more acceptable to his marxist, communist and socialist heroes. His enormous ego will cause him to gravitate toward those that seem to admire him the most without realizing that he is no more than a pawn. He is totally unable to see himself as anything but the center of importance.
Hugely dangerous traits that threaten this country and our military.
Said it better than I could, agree with your posting.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Saber rattling did the job of making sure WW3 never happened during the cold war. Some people need to open a history book!

That said, I'm opposed to this shield for one reason: why are we still subsidizing the EU's defense? These are European countries and they should be the EU's responsibility to defend. I'm all for missile shields but base them in North America and in ships closer to trouble points.
I partially agree with your observation. I think the placement where planned was a good idea, but agree that the European countries need to contribute more to the overall defense concept, and NATO. We have allowed them to really get away with inadequate financial participation the past few decades, and they need to make a bigger contribution.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:17 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Obama is in the process of destroying long time relationships with sound allies, preferring to remake our policies so they'll be "acceptable" to the likes of Russia, Iran and Venezuela. These actions and his blind admiration of the U.N. are truly worrisome.


So, he's a bully but the offense that has the whiners up in arms now is he's not acting like a bully, dictating to the world the way it's gonna be. Doesn't it get uncomfortable sitting on both sides of the fence?
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:18 AM
 
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Please watch the linked video here: www.heritage.org/33-minutes/

"Hope is not a good national security policy". The only ones who are happy about this are Russia, Iran, North Korea and the totally naive liberal statist pacifist a$$ clowns on this forum........
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