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Some people don't want the South to secede because it is American land & if a few Southerns want to have their own country they need to leave and find their own country. Some people want the South to secede because they do not like "atypical" Southerns who are Bible-belt nuts\ anti-intellectual & racists. Southerns who want to secede [and there are very few of them] have a serious inferiority complex & hate the ridicule of the rest of the U.S. These are not healthy people with huge issues of race & economic standing. Basically insecure people who are very unhappy with themselves. That's why these Americans need the rest of the country to make decisions for them because their own judgment is horrible and dangerous.
Some people don't want the South to secede because it is American land & if a few Southerns want to have their own country they need to leave and find their own country. Some people want the South to secede because they do not like "atypical" Southerns who are Bible-belt nuts\ anti-intellectual & racists. Southerns who want to secede [and there are very few of them] have a serious inferiority complex & hate the ridicule of the rest of the U.S. These are not healthy people with huge issues of race & economic standing. Basically insecure people who are very unhappy with themselves. That's why these Americans need the rest of the country to make decisions for them because their own judgment is horrible and dangerous.
You do realize that there are more than just Southerners who want to secede, right? In fact, the first area of the country that wanted to secede were the New Englanders(and they were pretty close to it). If it had seceded at the time, neither the north or the south could have maintained itself as a sovereign nation for very long. If New England had seceded, Britain would have swallowed it back up easily in 1812. After that, the south would also be picked off pretty quickly.
The reason the thirteen colonies were held together "perpetually" by the articles of confederation, was because they could not have remained free on their own. Many concessions were made in the declaration of independence(like no condemning slavery) just so the Southern states would join in on the rebellion.
In the Articles of confederation(the only document that talks about the union being perpetual), all power was handed to the states, the federal government was pretty much a voluntary post with absolutely no control of anything. If our constitution would have been presented instead of the Articles of Confederation in 1777, there wouldn't have been a union to begin with. And if our constitution mentioned anything about perpetual union, there is no way it would have been ratified by the colonies in 1788.
The individual states were originally very culturally distinct, the only reason the colonies were United in the beginning, was for their common defense.
The creation of the constitution was to address what was dividing and weakening the union. Without the constitution, the country would have fallen apart, and would have been easily picked off by Britain or France or both. In Shays rebellion, the federal government had absolutely no authority or funds to put down the rebellion. It became very apparent that without a central military that could fund itself, that the union could easily be picked off. Secondly, each state having separate tariffs, but free-trade within the colonies, was allowing British and French traders to avoid high tariffs in one state by selling cheap goods through another states ports that has low tariffs. It works almost like Nafta, where other countries bring goods in through Mexico, and Mexico sells them to us, with no tariffs.
The constitution was created with a very limited purpose, that was clearly defined. There are absolutely none of the founding fathers who could have EVER believed that their constitution would be used to create affirmative action, hate-crime legislation, social security, welfare, free healthcare, gun ownership restrictions, etc. And I highly doubt they would be very happy with the unconstitutional 14th amendment, and direct taxation through the 16th amendment.
No, I said they joined the military to get away from Rednecks and from grinding poverty. Both very valid reasons for doing so.
You know this for certain, do you? LOL Please support this statement beyond your own desperate desire to believe it...?
But as it is, here is what you said:
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"No, they're victims of racism and they are poor. The whites from the south who join only get to claim one of those.
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The record at Appomattox speaks for itself. Lee begged for food and Grant gave it to him. I've given you proof. You choose to ignore it.
You gave no proof he "begged" at all. YOU have chosen to ignore what actually transpired. Lee didn't beg nor whine. Those might be colorful verbs to support your warped vision of what actually took place, but they only fool those with no prior knowledge of the exchange. Grant offered rations. Lee accepted. What is so hard to understand about that?
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Providing you with proof does little good, but here goes: In your post # 199 you claimed that "...mostly southern men and women protected you from having been conquered by Nazi Germany..." This in spite of the fact that we had a draft that applied to everybody. Unless, of course, your claim is that the South has more people than the North, East, and West combined.
In your post #206 you repeated the fiction that "...the South makes up the relative majority of those in the military..."
Yes, and I have stated it repeatedly. A disporportionate number of men/women from the South have always been part of the United States armed forces. But...ok...I will admit I should probably have been clearer on the terminology. However, I figured even you would get the import. But apparently not, so let me retract and state for the record:
Southerners (black and white) have always made up a disproportionate number of those in military service. Satisfied?
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No fair qualifying your statement now. Besides which, doesn't the election of Barack Obama provide you good ol' boys with all the justification you need?
Race card again...
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So, as long as we can have a United States where slavery is allowed, women can't vote, and the South can control the national agenda, your willing to stay in the Union. Got it. No thanks.
There is no answer to such lunatic statements as this. LMAO
You have to understand Tex, anytime a liberal hears that you want to uphold the constitution and states rights as envisioned by the founding fathers, you are automatically labeled a racist, who wants to bring back slavery, and oppress women.
These liberals have no idea what the constitution says, or what was intended. They don't understand that the constitution was intentionally made to put limits on the federal government. Which is why the powers of congress were listed as "finite and precise" as the enumerated powers in article 1 section 8. But these powers are not good enough for liberals, so they believe we should stack the supreme court with "empathic" judges that will interpret their socialist/marxist agenda as constitutional.
They say they uphold the constitution, but that is all for show. They see the constitution as just a symbol of oppression, and try to circumvent and abuse it at every turn. Commerce clause anyone?
Right on the mark, Redshadowz! Keep up your good work!
Some people don't want the South to secede because it is American land & if a few Southerns want to have their own country they need to leave and find their own country. Some people want the South to secede because they do not like "atypical" Southerns who are Bible-belt nuts\ anti-intellectual & racists. Southerns who want to secede [and there are very few of them] have a serious inferiority complex & hate the ridicule of the rest of the U.S. These are not healthy people with huge issues of race & economic standing. Basically insecure people who are very unhappy with themselves. That's why these Americans need the rest of the country to make decisions for them because their own judgment is horrible and dangerous.
Southern California attempted to secede from California, so the above applies to that area as well?....
You know this for certain, do you? LOL Please support this statement beyond your own desperate desire to believe it...?
But as it is, here is what you said:
You gave no proof he "begged" at all. YOU have chosen to ignore what actually transpired. Lee didn't beg nor whine. Those might be colorful verbs to support your warped vision of what actually took place, but they only fool those with no prior knowledge of the exchange. Grant offered rations. Lee accepted. What is so hard to understand about that?
You choose to ignore Lee's whining, which I have proven, then there's not much I can do about it. As I said, Grant should never have provided them food.
Yes, and I have stated it repeatedly. A disporportionate number of men/women from the South have always been part of the United States armed forces. But...ok...I will admit I should probably have been clearer on the terminology. However, I figured even you would get the import. But apparently not, so let me retract and state for the record:
Southerners (black and white) have always made up a disproportionate number of those in military service. Satisfied?
Simply not true. And I can think of one four year period in our history where they made up 0% of the military. As I recall, we did OK without their services.
Race card again...
Expect it, when you offer racist comments.
There is no answer to such lunatic statements as this. LMAO
But that's exactly your position. You'd like us to go back to the good ol' days of the founding fathers, when southerners set the national agenda, black people were slaves, and women were unable to participate. Then, and only then, you'll consider staying in the Union.
Please cite where you are getting your information.
This is one of those comments that they throw out from time to time. It must come from one of those "South's A-gonna Rise Agin'" websites.
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