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Old 05-21-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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"Available to anyone" isn't the same as "available to everyone", even if we accept the ridiculous premise that everyone has remotely equal opportunities in America (and surely the fact that parent's wealth statistically determines your own wealth is just a crazy coincidence and not an indicator of social immobility).
Everybody has the equal opportunity to make themselves happy. Equality of result is not possible, or desirable, or just. The best among us deserve great wealth. The rest of us benefit from the magnificence of those among us who are extremely talented. We are in their debt, and should not begrudge them the just rewards of their talent and energy.

Not everyone can be wealthy, but everyone can achieve their own maximum potential. But first, they need a good personal philosophy. One that doesn't allow impediments such as phony unjust worlds handed down from the mental midgets who dominate the faculties and many of the graduates of today's leftist-collectivist oriented academic institutions.

 
Old 05-21-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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... Wealth redistribution is vital to the Thought Police and Wealth Distributors in Washington DC.
There. I fixed it for you.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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Everybody has the equal opportunity to make themselves happy.
(Citation needed)
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
Equality of result is not possible, or desirable, or just. The best among us deserve great wealth. The rest of us benefit from the magnificence of those among us who are extremely talented. We are in their debt, and should not begrudge them the just rewards of their talent and energy.

Not everyone can be wealthy, but everyone can achieve their own maximum potential. But first, they need a good personal philosophy. One that doesn't allow impediments such as phony unjust worlds handed down from the mental midgets who dominate the faculties and many of the graduates of today's leftist-collectivist oriented academic institutions.
The best of us, like two wealthy oil tycoons from Kansas who inherited a fortune from their father (who earned it working for the Soviet Union), and grew it by unrepentently destroying communities with pollution? Oh I'm sorry, that's not sulphur you're smelling, it's "magnificence".

Talk about logical fallacies. "Bad things only happen to bad people, which I know because the world is just, as evidenced by (no idea what would go here)".

I guess some people really, really want to live in a world where the majority of Americans are one mass-layoff away from a homeless shelter.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Yes, the rich do no wrong. They never commit crimes.

Wealthier areas have lower rates of crime and fire because of better service. It is a catch-22. The rich are not "better" citizens than anyone else.
Read up on the economics of crime. Also, consider taking a few classes in statistics, and in particular learning about conditional probabilities.

Read up on the concept of opportunity cost.

To a poor person, what is the opportunity cost of incarceration? To a high income productive person, what is the opportunity cost of incarceration? You'll see that the cost borne by the high income productive person is much higher than that of a low income poor/homeless person.

Given you commit a crime, what is the probability the crime will be reported?
Given it is reported, what is the probability the police will investigate it?
Give it is investigated, what is the probability you will be arrested?
Given you are arrested, what is the probability the DA will prosecute?
Given the DA prosecutes, what is the probability the judge does not throw out the case?
Given the judge does not throw out the case, what is the probability it goes to trial?
Given it goes to trial, what is the probability you are convicted?
Given you are convicted, what is the probability you receive a penalty involving jail/prison time?
Given you receive jail/prison time, what is the probability you actually go to jail/prison?

etc.

When you understand the problem, you'll discover that the rich indeed are "better" citizens in that the cost of being a criminal is very high, even given the conditional probabilities of punishment, because every hour they spend in jail costs them FAR more than that hour costs a poor person.

Poor people commit more crimes because the opportunity cost so low.

This isn't about morals; it is about economics.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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No so. The flawed economic system we use is geared towards unionized government bureaucrats with their gold-plated pensions & Cadillac health care, and those who feed at the public trough.
There. I fixed it for you.

There are those who work for a living. There are those who vote for a living. When the latter exceed the former, voting themselves ever-increasing benefits, the economy will collapse.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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... State taxes are highly regressive.
I like regressive taxes. They are great. The more, the better.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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When a poor person shoots someone, it's "a horrible violent crime".

When a wealthy businessman buries entire towns in industrial sludge, it's "an inevitable consequence of business that only upsets hippies who want us to live in the stone age, and shut up about it if you want to have jobs".

Wealthy people don't break the rules, they make the rules. They're the best citizens, because to be a good citizen is to be like the wealthy, by definition. Unless behaving like them impacts them negatively, then you're doing it wrong and go to jail.
 
Old 05-21-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Why do you think your entitled to someone else's money? Do you think michael jordan owes you $20? Why dont you focus on your own financing and then you wont need other peoples money?
Not only all of that, but it's the same-old same-old: Pick someone else's pocket, resurrect the big, bad, corporation boogeyman (the Kennedys have been hiding their money for generations in Fiji), and referring to every dang thing that stilll allows for a little freedom as a "loophole."

Make your own money and leave ours alone!
 
Old 05-21-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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Make your own money and leave ours alone!
Give every American a multi-million dollar factory as their inheritance, and this policy will make sense!
 
Old 05-21-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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There. I fixed it for you.

There are those who work for a living. There are those who vote for a living. When the latter exceed the former, voting themselves ever-increasing benefits, the economy will collapse.
Unionized government workers, of whom none are in the top 5% of income-earners, are what our economy is geared towards!? Unionized government workers, whose numbers have stayed steady over the last 40 years while the population has almost doubled?

You are one of the most masterful libertarian trolls, but I really don't believe you believe a lick of what you write. You are far too smart for that.
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