Trader Joe's (Prescott: restaurant, mall, garden)

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by TheresaINaz

Agree! In this economy, a part-time job is at least A JOB. Agree once again that "at least they won't be feeding at the public's dole."

Let me just say this, you are taking a complicated economic issue and making it too simplistic.

If a business like TJ's employee's 30-40 people but in turn it makes 4 or more Ma&Pa stores go out of business, is that good for the community?

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by wretched wrench

I dunno.......New Frontiers was not intimidated by the presence of TJ when they recently opened a store in San Luis Obispo.

Time will tell but a lot depends on the area and how the community/shoppers respond. Frontiers might make it through or it might shut down. One thing is for sure, TJ's will hurt Frontier's bottom line. It is direct competition and TJ's will take away some of its customers.

[Zonie5]

what mom and pop stores will be affected by TJs? in real world it always has been "dog eat dog" and "survival of the fittest". people and busineesses will always make adjustments to survive economicaly . TJs opening will be no different . it is the ones who cannot nor will adapt that will be doomed to fail . shoppers are fickle and they will always look for something new to try and sate their appetite for goods at TJs or somewhere else .

[Kimballette]

Originally Posted by Zonie5

what mom and pop stores will be affected by TJs? in real world it always has been "dog eat dog" and "survival of the fittest". people and busineesses will always make adjustments to survive economicaly . TJs opening will be no different . it is the ones who cannot nor will adapt that will be doomed to fail . shoppers are fickle and they will always look for something new to try and sate their appetite for goods at TJs or somewhere else .

Agreed. I believe it's called...capitalism.

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by Zonie5

in real world it always has been "dog eat dog" and "survival of the fittest". people and busineesses will always make adjustments to survive economicaly . TJs opening will be no different . it is the ones who cannot nor will adapt that will be doomed to fail .

One can argue about being on the "public's dole" as TJ's received $2million dollars worth of Prescott tax money to help them build their store. Whether it is an incentive, loan, or however one wants to spin in. TJ's received that money while other Ma&Pa stores did not. Is that fair? I think not.

It's not always the strongest or best that survive in the business world. It is the ones that receive help and favors in the form of public dole/tax money and other "incentives", while others don't. Another example can be "GM", if not for public dole/tax money from the US Govt, they would be out of business today. So your whole capitalism, fairness, and survival of the fittest scenario does not work. If that was the case then AIG, Merrill Lynch, Chrysler and the countless others should be out of business today.

[keninaz]

Uhhh~Chrysler, at least as I knew it when I grew up is non existent and now controlled as of a few days ago by Fiat.
Of note regarding TJs, although I have never been in a store I know many that have been and I understand that their customer service is very good.

[wretched wrench]

Originally Posted by keninaz

I understand that their customer service is very good.

This could be a reflection of happy, well-treated employees. I don't know the particulars, but their turnover is low.

[everafter]

Originally Posted by DellNec

As stated per Wikipedia, "Trader Joe's sells many items under its own private labels, requiring their sometimes brand-name suppliers not to publicize this business relationship, and offers these products at a significant discount to brand-name equivalents."
Trader Joe's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, the organic yogurt you can buy at Wal Mart or Costco can be the same yogurt TJ's sells under their TJ name. The manufacturer simply changes labels in the plant but it is 100% the same product inside.

People get into trouble when they feel the need to follow a direct quote with "In other words..." Why must you embellish a fact with unfounded rhetoric such as "it is 100% the same product inside"? For the record, while a vendor may manufacture its familiar item for sale at Costco or Fry's, the item is sometimes necessarily modified for sale at Trader Joe's to ensure a natural product. This is from the Trader Joe's website:

"What can I expect when the name Trader Joe's is on the label?
If you see Trader Joe's on a label, then you can know that the product contains NO artificial flavors, colors or preservatives; NO genetically modified ingredients; NO MSG; and NO added Trans Fats. What does it contain? Quality ingredients. Trader Joe's… it's quite a name, if we do say so ourselves."

Originally Posted by DellNec

Whether it is an incentive, loan, or however one wants to spin in. TJ's received that money while other Ma&Pa stores did not.

Once again, Trader Joe's did not receive any money. This is not a spin. The money went to the developer who is building more than just the Trader Joe's store. The references can be found in my previous posts.

Moderator cut: discuss the topic and not each other

[DellNec]

Originally Posted by everafter

Once again, Trader Joe's did not receive any money. This is not a spin. The money went to the developer who is building more than just the Trader Joe's store. The references can be found in my previous posts.

There are THOUSANDS of Prescott residents that are not happy with the way things played out with TJ's. Read the Courier, read & listen to the Prescott City Council candidates, read the letters.

http://www.prescottaz.com/main.asp?S...rticleID=96281

[everafter]

I do understand where you're coming from. I'm just saying that I think your beef would be with the city and not with Trader Joe's.