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Old 11-09-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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I'm from the Boston area and I'm a Bruins fan, so this particular story piqued my interest:


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ns/8314807001/

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/07/11347...tract-bullying

I don't think anyone can defend what Mitchel Miller did to this kid, but I have a few questions that we should discuss:

1. Can Miller ever be forgiven?
2. Does Miller's age at the time of the crime make a difference?
3. What can Miller do to be forgiven?
4. Regardless of whether he apologizes or not, should he ever be allowed to play professional sports?

Feel free to expand on this topic and discuss other issues related to forgiveness.
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Old 11-10-2022, 01:03 PM
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I'm from the Boston area and I'm a Bruins fan, so this particular story piqued my interest:


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ns/8314807001/

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/07/11347...tract-bullying

I don't think anyone can defend what Mitchel Miller did to this kid, but I have a few questions that we should discuss:

1. Can Miller ever be forgiven?
2. Does Miller's age at the time of the crime make a difference?
3. What can Miller do to be forgiven?
4. Regardless of whether he apologizes or not, should he ever be allowed to play professional sports?

Feel free to expand on this topic and discuss other issues related to forgiveness.
#1 he didn't do it to you. Its up to the parent and boy.
#2 pretty stupid to fire someone for something they did in junior high. If everyone got fired for stupid stuff they did in junior high, none of us would be employed.

Its all part of the insane puritanical, judgmental society we have become. The whole thing is flat out nuts. People seem to fail to understand that people, including themselves, make mistakes. And kids make lots of mistakes.

If the boy and parent don't forgive him, fine, but you can't expect forgiveness if you refuse to give it yourself.
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Old 11-10-2022, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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My measure is if the burden of resentment weighs more heavily than forgiveness I'd better get busy or I'll make myself ill. Carrying anger is bad for body, mind and spirit.

Forgiveness isn't for the other person though they may benefit from it. It's to keep me free of unwanted feelings, from avoiding eye contact, from having to talk to someone. It's a freedom I give myself.
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Old 11-10-2022, 06:05 PM
 
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If choosing not to forgive helps a person move forward or choosing to forgive helps them then either choice is acceptable , it’s really not something I’d judge others should or shouldn’t do. Apologizing is unconditional, people are not owed forgiveness just because they apologized.
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Old 11-10-2022, 06:16 PM
 
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“One should forgive, under any injury,” says the Mahabharata. “It hath been said that the continuation of the species is due to man’s being forgiving. Forgiveness is holiness; by forgiveness the universe is held together. Forgiveness is the might of the mighty; forgiveness is sacrifice; forgiveness is quiet of mind. Forgiveness and gentleness are the qualities of the Self-possessed. They represent eternal virtue.”

I like this quote very much.
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Old 11-11-2022, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Redwood City, CA
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I'm from the Boston area and I'm a Bruins fan, so this particular story piqued my interest:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ns/8314807001/

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/07/11347...tract-bullying

I don't think anyone can defend what Mitchel Miller did to this kid, but I have a few questions that we should discuss:

1. Can Miller ever be forgiven?
No. He lied publicly and stated that the bullying was a one-time event. It wasn't. It was years-long.

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2. Does Miller's age at the time of the crime make a difference?
Not to me.

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3. What can Miller do to be forgiven?
Publicly donate his salary to his victim, if he's ever allowed into the NHL.

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4. Regardless of whether he apologizes or not, should he ever be allowed to play professional sports?
That's up to the NHL commissioner, isn't it?
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Old 11-11-2022, 10:16 AM
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No. He lied publicly and stated that the bullying was a one-time event. It wasn't. It was years-long.


Not to me.


Publicly donate his salary to his victim, if he's ever allowed into the NHL.


That's up to the NHL commissioner, isn't it?
Would you feel the same way if the victim was not special needs?
Would you feel the same way if the victim was white?
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Old 11-11-2022, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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Originally Posted by MrDee12345 View Post
I'm from the Boston area and I'm a Bruins fan, so this particular story piqued my interest:


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ns/8314807001/

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/07/11347...tract-bullying

I don't think anyone can defend what Mitchel Miller did to this kid, but I have a few questions that we should discuss:

1. Can Miller ever be forgiven?
2. Does Miller's age at the time of the crime make a difference?
3. What can Miller do to be forgiven?
4. Regardless of whether he apologizes or not, should he ever be allowed to play professional sports?

Feel free to expand on this topic and discuss other issues related to forgiveness.
In this situation if I were the teams GM, Miller would NEVER play for my team. The age is irrelevant to me. You purposefully targeted and tortured someone who is in not at an equal intellectual capacity to give you a fair fight. That is called a coward where I’m from. Miller is allowed to play professionally and I as a fan am allowed to have a low opinion of any franchise that offers him employment. Hence which will be the reason Miller can kiss a pro career goodbye as that’s the way it should be IMO.
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Old 11-11-2022, 12:28 PM
 
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Would you feel the same way if the victim was not special needs?
Would you feel the same way if the victim was white?

Since I have no clue on the race of the bully or mental health status of the person being bullied I’d say for me it doesn’t make a heap of difference . If someone lies about their past behaviour that is an indication of who they are now and doesn’t speak well of their character. As to whether they should be forgiven that is up to the victim and it is not something owed to the perpetrator.
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Old 11-11-2022, 01:15 PM
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In this situation if I were the teams GM, Miller would NEVER play for my team. The age is irrelevant to me. You purposefully targeted and tortured someone who is in not at an equal intellectual capacity to give you a fair fight. That is called a coward where I’m from. Miller is allowed to play professionally and I as a fan am allowed to have a low opinion of any franchise that offers him employment. Hence which will be the reason Miller can kiss a pro career goodbye as that’s the way it should be IMO.
There are professionals is a number of sports who have done worse and did it in college or later.
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