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what does that have to do with masking any problem? there is no problem that is masked. there is an obvious problem for which some have proposed that placing all the problems in one place is a bright idea
where's the statistics for that idea?
That is not a proposal I have made or supported; your request to me is not logical.
I suggest when you provide data to support your position, you make the request of those who have made the proposal you cite to do the same.
That is not a proposal I have made or supported; your request to me is not logical.
I suggest when you provide data to support your position, you make the request of those who have made the proposal you cite to do the same.
but, do you really need data to show that high-poverty, inner-city schols will create all sorts of problems including but not limited to poor academci performance?
but, do you really need data to show that high-poverty, inner-city schols will create all sorts of problems including but not limited to poor academci performance?
I looked at it earlier.
I see a report and interpret that WCPSS supported their decision to proceed with the prior assignment plan based on stats from the 1990's and earlier.
That is very clear and no one denies that they made that decision, or that they referred to the data while doing so.
People are asking for statistical support for the concept that that has increased academic success.
I looked at it earlier.
I see a report and interpret that WCPSS supported their decision to proceed with the prior assignment plan based on stats from the 1990's and earlier.
That is very clear and no one denies that they made that decision, or that they referred to the data while doing so.
People are asking for statistical support for the concept that that has increased academic success.
I don;t understand why the data I provided does not answer your question. It appears crystal clear to me. It's data and it says exactly what I say.
Has anyone done a study to see what Wake County students have done with themselves since graduation and compared it to somewhere like Charlotte? I think it would make for an interesting sociology project for some grad students out there.
Has anyone done a study to see what Wake County students have done with themselves since graduation and compared it to somewhere like Charlotte? I think it would make for an interesting sociology project for some grad students out there.
I don't think that kind of thinking will get much traction with the advocates of high-poverty schools
I don't think that kind of thinking will get much traction with the advocates of high-poverty schools
Again, no data.
It is apparent that you view this more as a social condition than an educational one. I, for one, don't believe that our schools should be used as a social incubator.
Again, no data.
It is apparent that you view this more as a social condition than an educational one. I, for one, don't believe that our schools should be used as a social incubator.
You need to look a little more carefully. There are two articles posted above with data in them that support my position that high-poverty schools perform worse than diverse schools.
On the other hand, you and the others advocating a mass conversion to high-poverty schools have produced absolutely nothing to support your position. Anecdotes aboutf a handful of isolated examples out of a sea of disasters is not data. And there was no plan to duplicate such anecdotes from the previous board. The only duplication will be the disasters that the data show will happen when we get high-poverty schools. The data is above.
It seems the same question to you though is not somethnbg you want to deal with.
I've produced data. You haven't.
Not only that but you ignore the data that is produced.
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You need to look a little more carefully. There are two articles posted above with data in them that support my position that high-poverty schools perform worse than diverse schools.
On the other hand, you and the others advocating a mass conversion to high-poverty schools have produced absolutely nothing to support your position. Anecdotes aboutf a handful of isolated examples out of a sea of disasters is not data. And there was no plan to duplicate such anecdotes from the previous board. The only duplication will be the disasters that the data show will happen when we get high-poverty schools. The data is above.
It seems the same question to you though is not somethnbg you want to deal with.
I've produced data. You haven't.
Not only that but you ignore the data that is produced.
You are repeating again the comment on diverse schools performing better than high poverty schools. Can you not see how this is what people are saying to you about schools instead of students? What difference does it make if the schools average out better if the struggling students just gets lost in the shuffling? It's not the school average people are concerned with. It's the student's own improvement that matters.
You keep repeating people are in favor of high poverty schools. Do you really believe that is what people are in favor of? Do you think that is their goal or is that how you are choosing to interpret it to make your point? How do you know they are not in favor of no poverty whatsoever?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think busing for socioeconomic diversity has been around for 40 years. I believe it was busing for something different for the first 30 years and then changed to busing for socioeconomic diversity for the last 10 years. Either the students grades and graduation rates went up or down over the 10 years. We know the graduation rates went down for students in poverty. Do you have any evidence the grades went up for students in poverty in the WCPSS? Referencing articles based in theory not using data from the WCPSS does not make the case for what did or did not happen in the WCPSS. You need to provide proof the students in poverty are doing better individually. On the surface it appears busing is not helping students in poverty to improve because the data shows fewer of them are graduating. Based on that wouldn't you think it's time to try something different?
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