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I'm surprised the tueller drill hasn't been mentioned in this discussion. A knife wielding attacker can cover approximately 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. If you're defending yourself or another person from this attacker, you had better 1) be resolute in your action 2) act quickly 3) don't miss. I honestly question the ability of the average pistol owner to make a lethal shot on an advancing attacker with a head full of adrenaline.
Not sure Tueller is relevant in this case, the attacker was busy with the victim and could have been approached and shot. He gave up when the police came (with guns).
So would a bullet. In a situation like this I'd hate to step up through options until finding the one that works. Both the victim and the helper are in jeopardy when you have a crazed person with a weapon.
Depend where the bullet endep up. Shooting a moving target is not like your typical shooting training. As far as I as know, I do not remember reading or seeing a real shooting scene by trained police officers ending with only one bullet shooted.
Depend where the bullet endep up. Shooting a moving target is not like your typical shooting training.
Not relevant here, he wasn't a moving target he was standing on her ("I'm watching, yes ... he's stepping on her throat, he's trying to kill her. He's slicing her head, he's beating her up." and "The prosecutor also said that when police officers arrived at the scene, they observed Mehta standing over Kumari and "saw him swing the machete and strike the victim in the neck.").
Similar to the discussion above about Tueller, he wasn't approaching (or running at) a person with his knife he was already engaged. If someone there had a gun there was an opportunity in this case to approach, you were not trying to fire at a moving target coming at you. This says it all - "Mehta dropped the machete when officers confronted him." (with guns).
Depend where the bullet endep up. Shooting a moving target is not like your typical shooting training. As far as I as know, I do not remember reading or seeing a real shooting scene by trained police officers ending with only one bullet shooted.
Agreed. Pulled this info from a quick google search:
According to a 2008 RAND Corporation study evaluating the New York Police Department’s firearm training, between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate during gunfights was just 18 percent. When suspects did not return fire, police officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time.
Moving targets even with a shotgun are difficult. Check with the many grouse that I have missed
Having said that, I'd rather approach the situation with a gun versus spray or a stun gun. Why wouldn't you want to one-up the weapon in use by the bad guy?
Not relevant here, he wasn't a moving target he was standing on her ("I'm watching, yes ... he's stepping on her throat, he's trying to kill her. He's slicing her head, he's beating her up." and "The prosecutor also said that when police officers arrived at the scene, they observed Mehta standing over Kumari and "saw him swing the machete and strike the victim in the neck.").
Similar to the discussion above about Tueller, he wasn't approaching (or running at) a person with his knife he was already engaged. If someone there had a gun there was an opportunity in this case to approach, you were not trying to fire at a moving target coming at you. This says it all - "Mehta dropped the machete when officers confronted him." (with guns).
That is worst, how can you shoot him and only him in this situation. Hope your bullet is a special intelligent bullet which enters the guy body and stops before entering the girl body.
Men you have to be a real good shooter with your pistol.
But thanks for correcting me and adding support to the argument that shooting in this case is not easy.
By the way, the cops did not shoot, they asked him to stop. According to the report, the victim was in a clear and flagrant life threatening situation, they should have shoot first and ask question after. Or maybe, even trained police officers considering all the facts ended up thinking that the best option to save the girl was to ask question first and shoot after.
That is worst, how can you shoot him and only him in this situation. Hope your bullet is a special intelligent bullet which enters the guy body and stops before entering the girl body.
Men you have to be a real good shooter with your pistol.
But thanks for correcting me and adding support to the argument that shooting in this case is not easy.
By the way, the cops did not shoot, they asked him to stop. According to the report, the victim was in a clear and flagrant life threatening situation, they should have shoot first and ask question after. Or maybe, even trained police officers considering all the facts ended up thinking that the best option to save the girl was to ask question first and shoot after.
Not sure if a picture would help here but she was lying down __ he was standing up I
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But you're agreeing with my main argument, in this case just the appearance of a gun was enough to get him to stop. One neighbor that had a gun instead of a 2x4 could have ended this earlier.
Crazy, protective "single me" would take my chances with a guy half my size. However, less crazy, still protective "married-with-kids me" would at least bring a tire iron.
That is worst, how can you shoot him and only him in this situation. Hope your bullet is a special intelligent bullet which enters the guy body and stops before entering the girl body.
And just so you know, it exists. It's called a hollow point and is quite common.
Hollow points are designed to increase in diameter once within the target, thus maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock, and to remain inside the target, thereby transferring all of the kinetic energy to the target (whereas some fraction would remain in the bullet if it passed through instead). Both of these goals are meant to maximize stopping power. Jacketed hollow points (JHPs) or plated hollow points are covered in a coating of harder metal (usually a copper alloy or copper coated steel) to increase bullet strength and to prevent fouling the barrel with lead stripped from the bullet. The term hollow-cavity bullet is used to describe a hollow point where the hollow is unusually large, sometimes dominating the volume of the bullet, and causes extreme expansion or fragmentation on impact.[
Not sure if a picture would help here but she was lying down __ he was standing up I
__I <bullet ...
But you're agreeing with my main argument, in this case just the appearance of a gun was enough to get him to stop. One neighbor that had a gun instead of a 2x4 could have ended this earlier.
I see your point, still hard to pull off even if easier than I thought.
You do not have the same psychological impact as a by stander pulling a gun vs police officers pulling guns, but you can try. I will personally stop at pulling gun, shooting is still the same random outcome. What happens if you kill both. The family of the girl can sue you and I do not see what will be your defense: "I tried to save her".
No, no, no - there's no need for your silly calculations. There can also be no accommodation made for adrenaline and fear....everyone with a CCW will be a perfect calm shooter no matter the situation. It will always be "too bad" they weren't there when "whatever" happened.
No no no, no need for silly ideas that anyone who carries a gun is like Elmer Fudd and couldn't handle a firearm. Hopefully you are never in a situation that warrants your protection from someone with a ccw. Whats the average police response time?
The guy was on top of this girl slashing. Neighbor could have come over and told him to stop or he would shoot. If he didn't comply then you know what. Each situation is different and a gun wont solve all of them. However it would have helped here if the facts reported are indeed correct.
What you can take away from this is your safety is not guaranteed, including in Cary or Apex, or anywhere really. If you dont want to carry a gun then that's your choice. Please don't bash ccw owners for wanting to carry or wish stories like this ended differently. The story I posted earlier from CNN could have ended very differently if a ccw holder didn't show up. The funny part is I haven't seen anyone comment on it though.... Seems rather odd Facts are tough to argue with.
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Facts are tough to argue with.
