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God sacrificed Jeusus over to us. We killed Christ thus we paid the wages of sin through his death that we committed.
It was not murder for there was no violation of Jesus's will.
I never called it murder.
I don't see how us killing Jesus somehow saves us from our sins. I would think that would add to our sins, well at least to those of us who took part in the killing of him.
Then we would have to pay for our crimes. Again, you have not answered the question. How is it just to kill Jesus for our sins? I keep asking and I never receive an answer.
Many will pay for their sins. It's called Hell.
Yes, I did answer your question. It was a choice Jesus (God in flesh) made.
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In the case of the sheep we can see how the shepherd's actions actually save the sheep while the shepherd loses his life.
In the case of Jesus, we really don't see how Jesus being punished means that we are no longer going to be punished with spiritual death. Killing an innocent person for the crimes of the guilty is unjust.
Because God's holiness has been satisfied, through Christ's sinless life, death (blood sacrifice), and resurrection. Because Christ took our place, we are no longer held accountable (by God). Romans 8
I don't think Christians are good because Jesus was punished for their sins. Rather this is just a form of relief for them that they will not be going to hell. They are good because they believe in morality and don't want to be punished.
Why not just shock people in a different way that actually does not punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty?
Plus this reasoning can only go so far. Would you kill an innocent black person just to shock people to make them realize how unfair our legal system is to black people? That is still wrong. Punishing one person for the crimes of the other is still wrong.
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We are not "good" by human standards, but rather innocent, since the sin debt was paid for us by Christ. Matt. 20:28
Jesus was not sent here to die for our sins. God does not require a blood sacrifice. That is a pagan belief. Jesus came to earth to show people that the kingdom of God was inside of them and he taught people how to be connected to God and how to love others. The problem was that he came during a time where the people had a very savage violent primitive mindset that was also very pagan in its religious beliefs. Thus, Jesus's teachings threatened the power structure of the time. Thus, he was murdered.
What I find fascinating is that for Jesus to martyr himself - that was considered positive - but if you call someone a martyr today, it is an insult . . .if it was good for Jesus, why wouldn't it be good for the average person?
Jesus was not sent here to die for our sins. God does not require a blood sacrifice. That is a pagan belief. Jesus came to earth to show people that the kingdom of God was inside of them and he taught people how to be connected to God and how to love others. The problem was that he came during a time where the people had a very savage violent primitive mindset that was also very pagan in its religious beliefs. Thus, Jesus's teachings threatened the power structure of the time. Thus, he was murdered.
Is that your opinion, or does this idea have another source?
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