Did a World-Wide Flood in Noah's day Happen? (Hinduism, Roman, history)
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You can read all about why God created evil etc. here...
Do you have an opinion of your own (even when based on a reading), or do you simply believe in what you read as long as it bodes well with your beliefs?
Let us not make it sound like God created evil and take an eternity to destroy it, so He can be a hero. I doubt that would be the premise.
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Notice right after Adam broke God's law in the garden He speaks about the promised one to come to undo it all? It wasn't a "Plan B" for God. It was pre-planned. God made sure the evil would come to show mankind's inabilities and their need for a Saviour. I don't push any myths.
Then, God has always desired evil to be around. Why would He want to get rid of it?
Then, God has always desired evil to be around. Why would He want to get rid of it?
The same reason he once flushed the earths surface of evil down the toliet, because it spreads and germinates and its waste needs to be eliminated. But he wanted it to be a part of physical creation.
And hes going to one day elimanate the need for the physical bodies of all matter.
Do you have an opinion of your own (even when based on a reading), or do you simply believe in what you read as long as it bodes well with your beliefs?
Yes and No to the above.
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Let us not make it sound like God created evil and take an eternity to destroy it, so He can be a hero. I doubt that would be the premise.
God does not take eternity to destroy it. If it took eternity it would never get destroyed. The Bible records 5 distinct eons/ages in which evil runs its course only to be destroyed at the end of the eons.
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Then, God has always desired evil to be around. Why would He want to get rid of it?
It is subservient to His purpose.
"Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it."
Once the goal is reached evil is no longer needed.
Go to PBS and you'll see it often. When they talk about evolution they always show a mini-chimp to a larger, larger still, yet larger still to an almost the size of a human to a full sized human.
What is interesting is that if someone does not believe in the make-believe story of evolution your atheists and evolutionists get all bent out of shape.
But If I want to believe in a world-wide flood, that's not O.K. You say it has nothing to back the story up.
Evolution has absolutely not one shred of evidence to back it up. No, not even one.
arequipa, if you don't know the story, don't say anything. It wasn't just "two of each."
Gen 7:2-3 Of every clean beast you are to take to you seven by seven, the sire and his dam, and of the beast which is not clean, of it a pair, the sire and his dam. (3) And, moreover, of the clean flyer of the heavens seven by seven, male and female, and of the flyer which is not clean, of it a pair, male and female, to keep alive seed on the surface of the entire earth.
The above link gives all the mathematical formulas proving it was sea-worthy.
Hardly. In fact, it's been proven with modern engineering numbers, even from very credible Christian sources, that it's not possible to make such an oversized and totally untested Ark, then set it out there, unsteerable and unpowered, to endure and defy months of violent storms. (PS, Eusebius: EVER seen any pix or videos of completely MODERN and fully engineered steel-framed and welded together freighters or tankers all broken up by strong storms? Then they get to be wrecked on some shoal somewhere... No? You've never seen that huh?
(I could go on indefinitely here, but outright denialism is a deadly disease for which there is no cure but a better education coupled with some innate intelligence and an unbridled and courageous sense of curiosity...)
I suppose you would thus [selectively...] believe just about anything regarding Noah's untested wooden ark, filled with a slight overload of 2100 M animals. Hey; 30M known types @ 7 of each... I'm just repeating your mandates, man!) Oh, and btw, with no food or fresh water sources.
What utter and illiterate nonsense! But go for it: that fully defines your level of knowledge.
Now, for some other clearly obvious irrefutable sciency-type pointers:
1) You also know for a fact, or should, that PBS is hardlyThe Scientific Authority. They are a popular media source only.
2) Then you categorically refuse to acknowledge that not a single actual geneticist or Evolutionary biologist suggests this is The Process, or is in any way looking for a Missing Link, which you also love to sneer at, even though, as per Dr. Henry Gee (an evolutionary believer, which you guys also like to lie about...) the concept is not easily proven in a purely and absolute chronological lineage.
3) Then, as further proof of your Vast Scientific Illiteracy, now you claim that maybe 7 of each type of all the necessary 30M different species of plants and animals on board would be enough. TRIPE. RUBBISH.
(PS: I'd love to know, as I stated earlier, why the world's professional, oh let's say, tiger or cheetah biologists, are so worried that a mere several thousand of each of them means they are in imminent danger of going extinct, unable to even sustain their existing numbers with only that population remaining. and they are already in their chosen home environment, not up on Mt. Ararat to begin their new life's journey through a devastated land...
What Utter RUBBISH. But of course, you know so much better than we do....)
4) Of course there are intermediate Evolutionary links, as there are in any evolutionary process (small "e", btw.., like the obvious logical positive evolution from the first Model T to the current Ford Explorer). And some of them are yep, "missing". So what? No-one has ever claimed that biological Evolution required a convenient world museum, complete with time-stamped toe tags on each of the literally millions of intermediate steps in a natural evolutionary process. Because...
5) DNA tracking makes all that unnecessary, obviously to your ultimate horror. And so you choose to ignore or openly denigrate that as well... How Selectively Convenient for you!
6) You know, guys like myself, whose multi-grad school biology & engineering educations, professional research and career experiences you obviously flatly ignore, all while you call PBS some sort of expert... can absolutely provide all the necessary evidence you so desperately need to ignore. And why is that? Because you feel that it can all be discounted if you simply disclaim it all (as in "Oh! I had no idea!").
7) For instance: what? That you've never heard that we evolved from a proto-lemur, and that the gorillas, apes, chimps, monkeys and others, evolved from that one as well, but NOT directly from a chimp or great ape? Boy, are you ever mis-educated! Or into purposeful mis-quoting. How..... honest of you!
8) Or is it that it's Selectively Convenient for you to yowl at that false moon, that the version you want to say is ours is in fact demonstrably not?
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Well, turns out that sanspeur is so very right. You and I are not the only readers here, and your continued unsupportable and blatantly incorrect claims such as "There's absolutely not one single shred of evidence for Evolution!" is just a bunch of pond scum itself.
So the Christian supporters here, ever looking for some reasonable and intelligent debater's response from "their side", will instead see just how illogical and parrot-reactive you poster-folks here really are. A nice vacuous and denialist answer every time. Great!
So, yep: go for it, Eusebius. You're digging your own intellectual grave. So far, you're down about ≈6 feet.
Well...go for it! Soon you'll hit hell, right? After all, we have those live recordings of the sounds of people in hell from that Russian drill team.
God can do things on a worldwide scale , flush the earth with water or fire , replinish the whole earth of humans or animals; and do it worldwide; such is the scope of his power! And he can save humanity worldwide, or confuse us worldwide. And often to understand God just a bit more, it just often requires a person curious to think on a worldwide basics.
Do you have an opinion of your own... or do you simply believe in what you read as long as it bodes well with your beliefs?
Oh come ON, EG! Surely... not this oh-so-honest poster! How.... well... dishonestthat would be, to completely deny anything but their own desperate storyline?
Oh come ON, EG! Surely... not this oh-so-honest poster! How.... well... dishonestthat would be, to completely deny anything but their own desperate storyline?
The very idea!!!
In other words, EG, Eusebius is making so much sense that we have to try to make as many derogatory posts as we can to get this thread shut down.
Hardly. In fact, it's been proven with engineering numbers from credible sources, that it's not possible to make such an oversized and totally untested Ark, then set it out there, unsteerable and unpowered, to endure months of violent storms. With, btw, no food or fresh water sources. What utter and illiterate nonsense! But go for it: that fully defines your level of knowledge.
What has been stopping Him? Heck, why the heck did God create a mess, only to get mad and have to struggle to clean it up? Perhaps you need to re-focus on what this God would want you to be, treat everybody as you would like to be treated? As opposed to pushing for these myths?
Well yeah, EG, but this way, virtual legions of new Christian hopefuls feel that they can get to lord it over us unbelievers, with that snearing and self-righteous "Oh you'll see, some day, and then I'll get to gloat when He turns you down!" stuff.
What, God would tell all the Christian guys to sit about, doing mandatory & loud sneery-cheery time in His Pearly Gate bleachers, loudly yowling at hopeful but doomed hell-bound newcomers? Yup! Typical of The Greater Christian Fantasy...
Sadly, this huge hand-wringing daydream has, so far, and over the entirety of the accumulated millennia since the invention of the Christ/God fantasy, NEVER come true for any of them, though literally billions of Christian believers have so desperately hoped for it in their personal End Times fantasies.
So sad. And too bad!
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