Did Noah's Ark really exit? (New information) (education, American, different)
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Ah yes... the logic of the damned shows it's hugely illiterate face one more time.
Or this one, shown above...
"Thus no one on this thread could be a scientist. "
And yet, professionally I am a.. well you know....
(PS: I love those self-assured "thus" or "therefore" self-assured skip-over-the-truth descriptors that the mentally pre-determined pro-Christians use so often in utterly daft defenses of their nutball and logically indefensible ideas.)
That's pretty funny since you do the same yourself . How do you know anyones background in here? I'm pretty sure many people in here actually have scientific backgrounds, and are more qualified than you to speak on these subjects. And in academia, you constantly reference other peoples work. No ones research is ever based on just their own thought. It's always built upon other things.
I don't believe anyone's claims unless I examine it for myself, including religious claims...I am just a cynic..
That is a skeptic, not a cynic. Mind, you might be a cynic, too - but I've been called a cynic, when I am actually a realist and even an optimistic idealist, but the other fellow regarded anyone who did not see the world through the rose-opaque bifocals of faith as deserving of some deprecating word like Cynic, Nihilist, anarchist..
That said, I applaud your reservation of belief in anyone's claims until you have convinced yourself. While it is permissible to take the word of peer -reviewed science as pretty reliable, it is always a good idea to check up.
So, wouldn't that mean that you couldn't accept the claims of genesis unless you were persuaded of them?
I know there are many arguments for the flood, but they all seemed to have failed to deliver on reliable fact and rather relied on trying to find some fact that would fit (I have to say that looking for the Tigris and Euphrates in the amazon basin (1) because it won't fit Mespotamia fits that to a T) and trying to explain away the evidence against Creation/Flood/Ark and more recently Exodus factuality.
Skepticism is good, but the practice of applying skepticism to science - which is based on skepticism - in favour of propping up faith, is not a new position, but is a very dodgy one.
(1) apart from Gen. 2 13 stating that this is placing these river east of Assyria which mesopotamian state did not exist before the 8th or so century (2), not to mention Gihon which flows around Cush, which I believe was the name given to the horn of Africa.
(2) actually, while that applies to the assyrian empire with which the Judean writers were concerned, Assyrian city states existed 25th-6th c BC and even formed an empire ofter the end of the Akkadian one c 20th c BC and the Assyrian empire got under way at the time of the old Babylonian Empire 18th C BC. It is still not until after the Old Babylonian empire and the domination of Mesopotamia by Assyria after the 10th c that the Assyrians caused problems for Israel and Judea. So the point is that Genesis is describing a geopolitical world that did not exist before the 8th c BC date that I suggested.
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That is a skeptic, not a cynic. Mind, you might be a cynic, too - but I've been called a cynic, when I am actually a realist and even an optimistic idealist, but the other fellow regarded anyone who did not see the world through the rose-opaque bifocals of faith as deserving of some deprecating word like Cynic, Nihilist, anarchist..
That said, I applaud your reservation of belief in anyone's claims until you have convinced yourself. While it is permissible to take the word of peer -reviewed science as pretty reliable, it is always a good idea to check up.
So, wouldn't that mean that you couldn't accept the claims of genesis unless you were persuaded of them?
I know there are many arguments for the flood, but they all seemed to have failed to deliver on reliable fact and rather relied on trying to find some fact that would fit (I have to say that looking for the Tigris and Euphrates in the amazon basin (1) because it won't fit Mespotamia fits that to a T) and trying to explain away the evidence against Creation/Flood/Ark and more recently Exodus factuality.
Skepticism is good, but the practice of applying skepticism to science - which is based on skepticism - in favour of propping up faith, is not a new position, but is a very dodgy one.
(1) apart from Gen. 2 13 stating that this is placing these river east of Assyria which mesopotamian state did not exist before the 8th or so century (2), not to mention Gihon which flows around Cush, which I believe was the name given to the horn of Africa.
(2) actually, while that applies to the assyrian empire with which the Judean writers were concerned, Assyrian city states existed 25th-6th c BC and even formed an empire ofter the end of the Akkadian one c 20th c BC and the Assyrian empire got under way at the time of the old Babylonian Empire 18th C BC. It is still not until after the Old Babylonian empire and the domination of Mesopotamia by Assyria after the 10th c that the Assyrians caused problems for Israel and Judea. So the point is that Genesis is describing a geopolitical world that did not exist before the 8th c BC date that I suggested.
I have a lot of questions about Genesis...I wonder if the geographic references come from Pangea rather than after the continents broke apart...But it all depends on when it all was written down and edited....Like reading a diary of someone long ago who makes reference to his birth in a state called Franklin...But in another source you read the he was born in the state of TN....
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. How do you know anyones background in here? I'm pretty sure many people in here actually have scientific backgrounds, and are more qualified than you to speak on these subjects. And in academia, you constantly reference other peoples work. No ones research is ever based on just their own thought. It's always built upon other things.
