Did Noah's Ark really exit? (New information) (churches, beliefs, Creator)
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Engineering if I remember correctly...I think that is where he was recruited by the CIA to work as a gadget-man...
IF he was CIA (which may or may not be true) it would explain why he isn't hanging out on the internet. Those guys tend not to chit-chat about what they've done. They also tend to not tell their relatives that they were recruited by the CIA.
Though if he's pushing 90 that alone could explain what he isn't surfing the internet and posting on boards. Lots of age-related reasons (that have nothing to do with a knowledge of science) could explain that. The fact that you know one old scientist who doesn't use the internet means you know one old scientist who doesn't use the internet. Not much more. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that there are scientists on this board who DO use the internet. And know a lot about the subject currently under discussion.
But to a non-scientific YECer, those dates are meaningless since the Earth according to their belief is only 6000 years old, so they have no qualm with taking something that geologists discovered and insert it in Genesis 10:25, no matter how incoherent it is, and are so scientifically ill-equipped to even see the problems that creates, and feels that it is a perfectly valid connection, and believed to be part and parcel with Flood geology. "But is sounds so 'sciencey.' "
In fact the date is more like 10,000 years old +/- 5,000 and the recent evidence - based date at a Creation science conference (beginning with prayers) placed it at fifty thousand years ago, which caused some uneasy shuffling in the audience.
However, as Rifleman and his performing Varves can show, there is geological evidence in the amount, type, deposit specific nature and subsequent deformation that makes it hard to believe that the geology is just what - within a few hundred years at most timescale, though a literal reading would have it all happen within a couple of years.
I think for me the death - knell of the Biblical Flood story, on top of the lack of any real evidence for it, and the sheer unfeasibility, even with the argumentative mental gymnastics of instant mountains, Hi-speed evolution, Pangea, hydroplaning continents and 'Kinds', is that, after a year cooped up in a wooden box with a year's stored food without a single extinction in a million plus species. When they slithered down the mud -slicked slopes of Ararat to the post - deluvian ooze -plain below, there was nothing to eat. Not a thing. Not for a year until - if you could find a place where the seed was still viable and the mud not too thick, grass (and maybe veg, if you had kept your seed viable) would grow again. and then several years before you got any fruit. And there was not a darn thing for the carnivores to eat, not for several years.
To postulate food on the ark to cover that period adds staggeringly to the logistical problem and it must be so tempting to have God do a bit of magic to get over this.
But as I have said before, once God does a bit of magic, then none of it becomes necessary.
In fact the date is more like 10,000 years old +/- 5,000 and the recent evidence - based date at a Creation science conference (beginning with prayers) placed it at fifty thousand years ago, which caused some uneasy shuffling in the audience.
I bet that did.
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However, as Rifleman and his performing Varves can show, there is geological evidence in the amount, type, deposit specific nature and subsequent deformation that makes it hard to believe that the geology is just what - within a few hundred years at most timescale, though a literal reading would have it all happen within a couple of years.
Yes, I can confirm, the geology is all wrong and not indicative for a recent global flood or even a recent poofing into existence.
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I think for me the death - knell of the Biblical Flood story, on top of the lack of any real evidence for it, and the sheer unfeasibility, even with the argumentative mental gymnastics of instant mountains, Hi-speed evolution, Pangea, hydroplaning continents and 'Kinds', is that, after a year cooped up in a wooden box with a year's stored food without a single extinction in a million plus species. When they slithered down the mud -slicked slopes of Ararat to the post - deluvian ooze -plain below, there was nothing to eat. Not a thing. Not for a year until - if you could find a place where the seed was still viable and the mud not too thick, grass (and maybe veg, if you had kept your seed viable) would grow again. and then several years before you got any fruit. And there was not a darn thing for the carnivores to eat, not for several years.
To postulate food on the ark to cover that period adds staggeringly to the logistical problem and it must be so tempting to have God do a bit of magic to get over this.
But as I have said before, once God does a bit of magic, then none of it becomes necessary.
Exactly! Why would a creator who gives his people theological doctrines supposedly based on the recent special creation, but then voluntarily submits his creative will to the precise physical constraints of a plethora of very well understood geologic processes without even the slightest pretense of fiat or a recent global upheaval.
One semester away, huh?....So you are not a scientist yet?...
Hee heee... I do so love your humor, even from one so very ill-equipped to provide it!
Boy, you are desperate aren't you? Denial of the other guy's capabilities? Wow! You no doubt won a lot of debates in high school debating class, yes?
I really would love to debate/annihilate you in public, but the supply of crying towels, even in the big economy box placed at your feet, would soon be all used up as you blubbed your way along in your non-semetric universe.
Repeats to himself in endless self-assurance... ("Stick to the party's pointless talking points!" "Stick to the party's pointless talking points!" "Stick to the party's pointless talking points!" "Stick to the party's pointless talking points!" ...)
Nothing like a truly vacuous pseudo-argument, avoiding the issues completely, but endlessly chiseling away like a styrofoam rock hammer against the cold hard facts, to seal the deal, eh Ricky?
Yes, I can confirm, the geology is all wrong and not indicative for a recent global flood or even a recent poofing into existence.
Why would a creator who gives his people theological doctrines supposedly based on the recent special creation, but then voluntarily submits his creative will to the precise physical constraints of a plethora of very well understood geologic processes without even the slightest pretense of fiat or a recent global upheaval.
Oh pshaww and Tsk Tsk, PT! We are not here to ask such problematic questions or pose them to a blatantly technically ill-equipped audience member. It's downright cruel and unusual punishment, don't you see? Leaves 'em all loose-boweled and such!
My slightly zealous Christian mommy-dearest (but still... I do indeed miss her, just not her ill-equipped spirituality, which held her thinking mind back for years......) often said...
"Our's is not to question The Lord! For He hath almighty powers, as we can all see!"
Oh pshaww and Tsk Tsk, PT! We are not here to ask such problematic questions or pose them to a blatantly technically ill-equipped audience member. It's downright cruel and unusual punishment, don't you see? Leaves 'em all loose-boweled and such!
Dang it! I did it again.
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My slightly zealous Christian mommy-dearest (but still... I do indeed miss her, just not her ill-equipped spirituality, which held her thinking mind back for years......) often said...
"Our's is not to question The Lord! For He hath almighty powers, as we can all see!"
....and so on.
That was my mistake. I kept asking questions that no one wanted to answer. I didn't just want to claim that science was wrong. That would be pretty baseless. So I had to find out on my own why geologists were claiming what they claimed and how they came to their conclusions, and dang it, if I just didn't up and become one. I guess I just got sucked in and started believing what I was seeing was actually real, and worked.
IF he was CIA (which may or may not be true) it would explain why he isn't hanging out on the internet. Those guys tend not to chit-chat about what they've done. They also tend to not tell their relatives that they were recruited by the CIA.
Though if he's pushing 90 that alone could explain what he isn't surfing the internet and posting on boards. Lots of age-related reasons (that have nothing to do with a knowledge of science) could explain that. The fact that you know one old scientist who doesn't use the internet means you know one old scientist who doesn't use the internet. Not much more. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that there are scientists on this board who DO use the internet. And know a lot about the subject currently under discussion.
Mankind didn't exist on Pangaea. The authors of the Bible didn't know of it's existence. Pangaea broke apart some 240 million years ago. Long, long, long before Man. (At least by 235 million years or so)
You are welcome, this was actually found on a wiki type article designed esp for the YEC folk. There is a you tube vid that LoLs at this claim and the real physics not considered.
Even I find that ludicrous...
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