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Well what would you call it when someone disregards verifiable evidence and chooses 'faith' instead?
A good example is the scientific evidence of design in cosmology.
Atheists violate oceans razor,
ie; multiplying agents,
to imagine a multiverse, without a shred of proof to support their imagination, it is therefore faith and blind faith at that.
I was raised Christian but never took to the Jesus concept (I don't think it was emphasized in the home). I must have been preteen when after thinking about the concept of god for a while I decided it could not possibly be true and rejected any belief I might have had.
The idea of a man-god never gelled with me and I never took the hell threat seriously. That's as a kid.
So technically one could say I am a former theist but that would not be quite true. I was simply too young to question my parents.
Your experience makes my point ,
most become atheists at around the age of puberty.
That was my experience too.
A good example is the scientific evidence of design in cosmology.
Atheists violate oceans razor,
ie; multiplying agents,
to imagine a multiverse, without a shred of proof to support their imagination, it is therefore faith and blind faith at that.
Incorrect. There is little or no valid scientific evidence of design in cosmology. That means a god is no more possible than not.
But some evidence is of a lack of design in cosmology so that rather arguies against it.
That just 'a god'. When we talk about a cretor of human life, the evidence is against it. We needed extinctions to give even mammals a chance, let alone primates.
Atheists do bnot violate Occam's razor. Theists do in claiming an entity which is not a logical necessity. The scientific talk of multiverses is interesting but so far as i know, is known to be a hypothesis without any real proof.
And, so far as I know, it has absolutely no part in the atheist rationale.
So, I have to say, old chum, that you seem to have little understanding of what you are talking about.
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Your experience makes my point ,
most become atheists at around the age of puberty.
That was my experience too.
Makes sense. eight to 10 is when kids start to ask some serious questions and may realize they've been sold a bill of goods.
But the more solid atheists seem to be the ones that started to really look into the religious claims from college to middle age.
The problem with simply disbelieving religion the same way they stopped believing Santa is that -if they don't do the arguments and counter -arguments, they are wide open to evangelism, which is based on putting one side, never mind lying about it, and misrepresenting the unbeliever case, if they even mention
Mine too! That they hold it up as something good, something that should be applauded and aspired to and worst of all for me, something that should be respected, has always been a mystery to me. To me, continuing to believe something is true when there is absolutely no verifiable evidence to support that it is and, in some cases, verifiable evidence that it isn't true, is indeed folly.
When I was in my 20's I tried going to a church group. I told the pastor I had a problem with faith and I asked him "how do you get faith"? He said you just have to have it Needless to say, as nice as that man was, I never went back.
A good example is the scientific evidence of design in cosmology.
Atheists violate oceans razor,
ie; multiplying agents,
to imagine a multiverse, without a shred of proof to support their imagination, it is therefore faith and blind faith at that.
What would you call that?
I call it fear.
No. There is no evidence of design in cosmology. If you say there is then produce it.
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When I was in my 20's I tried going to a church group. I told the pastor I had a problem with faith and I asked him "how do you get faith"? He said you just have to have it Needless to say, as nice as that man was, I never went back.
That Darwin was in fact an agnostic is clearly evident with some online research. This reinforces that ignorance is common with them as much as the people they make a hobby of criticizing.
If they do not even know this fact about one of their 'heroes', how can their criticisms be taken seriously?
When I was in my 20's I tried going to a church group. I told the pastor I had a problem with faith and I asked him "how do you get faith"? He said you just have to have it Needless to say, as nice as that man was, I never went back.
Oh, the churhes I never went back to cuz the pastors were truly less than par.
I could tell you how to have faith just PM me....but as a hint...it takes baby steps...
Like lifting weights you start slow and light...it builds up like a muscle!
Incidentally, though I am getting used to it, I am astonished (as a Lime sucker) how quickly politics now gets dragged into the religious debate. And that is something that wasn't common when I first started - it was all Ark feasibility in those days and it is something that really has popped up since Obama, massive Right Wing reaction to Obamacare policies and the rise of the Tea party.
This has been brewing since the 1980s, laying the groundwork for the Pat Robertson campaign for president by ginning up things like the doctrine (and mind, it didn't exist before 1980) that life begins at conception, ergo, abortion is murder -- as fulcrums to agitate the faithful to political action.
As a person who grew up in the pre 1980's evangelical world, I can tell you, I was taught that politics was dirty business that was beneath us. It was a huge sea change to switch to the opposite tack on that.
What you are noticing now is that evangelicals have simply given up all pretense of moral high ground and sold their collective souls out to get Trump elected. That's what Trump demands of his supporters in exchange for supreme court nominations or whatever other quid pro quo was involved.
The net effect is that right wing religion is now practically synonymous with right wing politics. That's why politics arises so quickly in fundamentalist discourse -- they are, whether admitting it or not, on a mission to build a quasi-theocracy in the name of "taking back America for god".
Your experience makes my point ,
most become atheists at around the age of puberty.
That was my experience too.
Citation needed. Keep in mind MY citation in an earlier post which states most deconversions happen in mid 30s and later.
Personally I'm ashamed to say that I wouldn't have dreamed of arriving at an independent view that was contrary to most of society. I was far too compliant and far too indoctrinated.
What is actually going on is that you frequently HEAR in this particular forum environment about people rejecting religion at a young age because this environment attracts a disproportionate number of such people. I would guess around 5% of less of atheists have such good BS filters that they reached a firm conclusions about theism at a young age. Because most people are like me, and had to belatedly develop their BS filters after constantly barking their shins on pesky ol' reality.
As I said earlier, don't assume your experience is everyone else's experience. People are way more diverse than that.
A good example is the scientific evidence of design in cosmology.
Atheists violate oceans razor,
ie; multiplying agents,
to imagine a multiverse, without a shred of proof to support their imagination, it is therefore faith and blind faith at that.
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and it is something that really has popped up since Obama, massive Right Wing reaction to Obamacare policies and the rise of the Tea party.
