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Old 02-24-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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This quote is a complete fabrication.

The link above shows the citation to be incorrect -- a possible obfuscation of the quote not even being a reasonable paraphrase of what was actually said. Yet another pious fraud.

Extensive quotations are given showing Wald's position. For those with short attention spans, it is this: he argues that life from non-life is a special case of spontaneous generation, which science has demonstrated does not happen under current conditions. However the fact that we are here demonstrates that it happened at least once under some condition or other. Time, he says, is the hero in that particular narrative. It is difficult for us to conceive of events rare enough not to have happened in our lifetime or indeed in human history, but this is not much of a concession on his part: human history is a drop in the proverbial bucket compared to geologic history.

Personally I do not agree with Wald that this is a question of spontaneous generation. The latter was the notion that, e.g., maggots and flies (complex life forms) generate from decaying matter in a short time. That is not the mechanism or even the association and we have established that. The failure of the hypothesis of spontaneous generation and the establishment of germ theory says nothing at all about primitive proto-life (viruses, prions) or primitive life (single cell or cell wall deficient bacteria) arising on vastly different time scales in vastly different environments. It is a category error really. Apples and oranges. Just because Wald was a Nobel laureate doesn't mean he's infallible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSRRBp2Wfg
There are plenty of quotes in that video of quotes from scientists stating they know there are no transitional fossil species supporting the untenable position called evolution.

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Old 02-24-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSRRBp2Wfg
There are plenty of quotes in that video of quotes from scientists stating they know there are no transitional fossil species supporting the untenable position called evolution.
More feeble flailing.
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:17 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSRRBp2Wfg
There are plenty of quotes in that video of quotes from scientists stating they know there are no transitional fossil species supporting the untenable position called evolution.
Researchers have caught fruit fly evolution in flagrante delicto.

More specifically, in flagrante delicto Y, a newly described gene on the fruit fly Y chromosome. The gene appears to have been copied onto the sex chromosome from another fly chromosome around 2 million years ago, scientists report September 14 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Flagrante delicto Y is 98 percent identical to the gene from which it was copied, and the researchers believe that the new gene has a similar function: helping organize cells’ genetic material. Unlike its predecessor, flagrante delicto Y is expressed mainly in the testes.

The gene earned its scandalous moniker by providing concrete evidence of how Drosophila melanogaster’s Y chromosome picks up genes from other chromosomes. “Smoking gun Y” would have also been fitting, says study coauthor A. Bernardo Carvalho, a geneticist at the Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro. Adding genes allows the fly’s Y chromosome to grow larger and attain new abilities over millions of years. An opposite trend occurs in mammals’ Y chromosomes, which tend to lose genetic material as they evolve.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ght-red-handed

This is of course what is REALLY true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6NrQuup80
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:33 PM
 
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Researchers have caught fruit fly evolution in flagrante delicto.
They're still flies, right? I mean...they didn't turn into giraffes.....right?
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:04 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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They're still flies, right? I mean...they didn't turn into giraffes.....right?
Really, Vizio, really?

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Old 02-24-2016, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Really, Vizio, really?

This thread is funnier than watching Comedy Central....
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:26 PM
 
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They're still flies, right? I mean...they didn't turn into giraffes.....right?
To all the college freshman philosophy students out there, this is what a Straw Man argument looks like.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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There are plenty of quotes in that video of quotes from scientists stating they know there are no transitional fossil species supporting the untenable position called evolution.
Well I don't have time to do all your research for you, but for example, the quote from Alfred S Romer is dated. Since the late 1950s when he made those statements, we have uncovered a rich precambrian fossil record and his bemoaning of its lack no longer applies. New precambrian discoveries are published each year.

It is also evident from the quote that Romer was not suggesting he believed evolution to be a hoax, simply that he lacked access to the fossil record that the theory (accurately, as it turns out) predicted would be seen.

I suspect that each and every one of those quotes is either a complete fabrication, as was the Wald quote, taken out of context, is old and no longer current information as with this one, or is in some other way cherry picked or finessed. And I also suspect that you would not care to vet them as to accuracy and context, but prefer to simply accept them because they comport themselves with your beliefs.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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What on on earth .... ?!

Did you read what you wrote?
Yes, written late at night and so it may not be clear to you but you are intelligent enough to use a little imagination until it is clear to you.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:38 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Well I don't have time to do all your research for you, but for example, the quote from Alfred S Romer is dated. Since the late 1950s when he made those statements, we have uncovered a rich precambrian fossil record and his bemoaning of its lack no longer applies. New precambrian discoveries are published each year.

It is also evident from the quote that Romer was not suggesting he believed evolution to be a hoax, simply that he lacked access to the fossil record that the theory (accurately, as it turns out) predicted would be seen.

I suspect that each and every one of those quotes is either a complete fabrication, as was the Wald quote, taken out of context, is old and no longer current information as with this one, or is in some other way cherry picked or finessed. And I also suspect that you would not care to vet them as to accuracy and context, but prefer to simply accept them because they comport themselves with your beliefs.
Yeah, I can't imagine many new discoveries in the past, oh, say, 60 years, either.
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