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Old 06-18-2016, 05:56 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Quite old beast! That is why I ask, over and over of theists...'why do you think 'Faith' has merit and should be applauded'. I have been asking this for years and, as y'all probably noticed, I have asked several 'Christians' here, several times. As yet, not one of them have offered an answer.
Indupitably, old quince, just as I have asked why, if hellthreat is rejected, religion even matters. Eusebius was the only one who even had a stab at answering that.
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Quite old beast! That is why I ask, over and over of theists...'why do you think 'Faith' has merit and should be applauded'. I have been asking this for years and, as y'all probably noticed, I have asked several 'Christians' here, several times. As yet, not one of them have offered an answer.
I wonder whether 'faith' has a therapeutic effect? Do you know much about meditation and 'mindfulness'? Well, it has been shown that mindfulness actually stimulates the growth of new neurons. It alerts the mind and improves memory and cognitive functions. So, maybe there is something like that going on?
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Old 06-18-2016, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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I wonder whether 'faith' has a therapeutic effect? Do you know much about meditation and 'mindfulness'? Well, it has been shown that mindfulness actually stimulates the growth of new neurons. It alerts the mind and improves memory and cognitive functions. So, maybe there is something like that going on?
Or perhaps it's simply wilful ignorance.
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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I wonder whether 'faith' has a therapeutic effect? Do you know much about meditation and 'mindfulness'? Well, it has been shown that mindfulness actually stimulates the growth of new neurons. It alerts the mind and improves memory and cognitive functions. So, maybe there is something like that going on?
yes that is correct . you are correct 303. gold star for connecting the dots.
in short, faith makes you smarter
that will make some minds explode around here
should be fun to watch
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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yes that is correct . you are correct 303. gold star for connecting the dots.
in short, faith makes you smarter
that will make some minds explode around here
should be fun to watch
I didn't say smarter! Well OK, I implied it.
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Old 06-19-2016, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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in short, faith makes you smarter...
Aaaaaaahahahahaha!
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Old 06-19-2016, 06:12 AM
 
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yes that is correct . you are correct 303. gold star for connecting the dots.
in short, faith makes you smarter
that will make some minds explode around here
should be fun to watch
Mine just did.

I would say that faith is what is required to ignore many advances in science and the scientific methods. I can't speak to it making one smarter but it certainly encourages ignorance.
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Old 06-19-2016, 07:10 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I wonder whether 'faith' has a therapeutic effect? Do you know much about meditation and 'mindfulness'? Well, it has been shown that mindfulness actually stimulates the growth of new neurons. It alerts the mind and improves memory and cognitive functions. So, maybe there is something like that going on?
I certainly agree that Faith has some benefit in confidence -instilling. I am doubtful about whether it has benefits in stimulating neuron -growth. But it is possible. Not that Faith makes much use of the result as it rejects the sound mental tools of logical reasoning and holds up faith as the best way of coming to conclusions.

That might hold some water were it not that, on checkable claims that faith has made, it has not had a good record, whereas evidence and reasoning has. And as they say, if you can't trust Faith to be right on checkable claims, how can you trust it on the ones you can't check?
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Old 06-19-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: louisville
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This is not another thread about the evidence or lack thereof for a god, so let's please not waste time going there . This is about some statements I routinely see here suggesting that the reason atheists and agnostics don't want to believe in God is because they want to sin. Which makes no sense in and of itself . But I want to directly address this oft repeated statement .


Do theists really believe that the only reason atheists and agnostics don't believe is because they want to sin?


Can theists truly not grasp that some people simply see no evidence of a God , and certainly none that might want a person to follow a particular faith, and see no point in believing in something like this without solid evidence ?

On what basis would a theist who believes this claim that someone like Stephen Hawking just wants to sin ? What evidence would a theist have that Sam Harris's atheism is rooted in a desire to pretend God doesn't exist so he can sin without guilt ? What about Dan Barker , a former Pentecostal preacher who decided he no longer believed ? What evidence would a theist have that Dan Barker left the faith so he could sin at will?



Is the concept of simple disbelief in invisible and silent supernatural beings really this hard to grasp , that theists have to resort to these kinds of allegations ?
1. No
2. Yes
3. Don't give a lot of thought to others beliefs, or non beliefs.
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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yes that is correct . you are correct 303. gold star for connecting the dots.
in short, faith makes you smarter
that will make some minds explode around here
should be fun to watch


Except that was this was credited to , anecdotally I might add without contesting the claim , was mindfulness and meditation, not faith . Faith is believing in things without evidence , largely based on the demands of some sort of religious dogma . Mindfulness is focusing ones attention on the present and developing better awareness of experiencing the present rather than mindlessly going through the motions of life distractedly focused on the future .

Please pay attention .
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