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I'm well aware. Catechism bored the heck out of me.
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Lazarus is regarded as a Saint in Catholicism and Liturgical churches.
But good point, apparently Lazarus was dead for 4 days before being raised from the dead by JC, but just what did he see on the other side?
There is this account:
According to tradition, Lazarus never smiled during the thirty years after his resurrection, worried by the sight of unredeemed souls he had seen during his four-day stay in Hades. The only exception was, when he saw someone stealing a pot, he smilingly said: "the clay steals the clay".
I am always amazed at the amount of detail in these types of treatises, as there are no written references, just "oral stories". I can't keep oral stories from 10 years ago accurate, how the heck can one do so over centuries?
Catholics don't go to bible study.
Lazarus is regarded as a Saint in Catholicism and Liturgical churches.
But good point, apparently Lazarus was dead for 4 days before being raised from the dead by JC, but just what did he see on the other side?
There is this account:
According to tradition, Lazarus never smiled during the thirty years after his resurrection, worried by the sight of unredeemed souls he had seen during his four-day stay in Hades. The only exception was, when he saw someone stealing a pot, he smilingly said: "the clay steals the clay".
There is a subtle "POWER" in what you say, Derek. I'll try to explain if I can: you start your second paragraph with a critical phrase: "According to tradition". Tradition conveys no history, no reliability, no authority, no NOTHING, frankly. But then you proceed to tell this story as if there is history, reliability, and authority to what you are saying. And somehow the reader is sucked in to your words and thinks that somehow, in some way....all you have said is true,
"Wow, Lazarus never once smiled for thirty years after Jesus resurrected. Imagine that! I wouldn't be surprised if after Jesus raised him from the dead Lazarus was able to look at people and know which ones would get to heaven and which would go to hell."
But what the reader has totally forgotten is that all this business about Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead is.....pure fiction. Made up in the fertile minds of the Greek writers who anonymously wrote the gospels 100 years after Jesus was crucified and thus couldn't have known a single thing about what happened on that dusty Bethany road 100 years earlier. But there has to be some modicum of authority to keep your story from descending into total fantasy and so you attach the magic phrase, "According to tradition". Very clever. Let us not forget that we haven't a single word in the historical record about the 12 apostles.
BUT! "According to tradition"....they all went to their deaths believing Jesus had rising from the grave.
Astonishing what people fall for, still even after 2000 years.
I'm well aware. Catechism bored the heck out of me.
I am always amazed at the amount of detail in these types of treatises, as there are no written references, just "oral stories". I can't keep oral stories from 10 years ago accurate, how the heck can one do so over centuries?
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte
There is a subtle "POWER" in what you say, Derek. I'll try to explain if I can: you start your second paragraph with a critical phrase: "According to tradition". Tradition conveys no history, no reliability, no authority, no NOTHING, frankly. But then you proceed to tell this story as if there is history, reliability, and authority to what you are saying. And somehow the reader is sucked in to your words and thinks that somehow, in some way....all you have said is true,
"Wow, Lazarus never once smiled for thirty years after Jesus resurrected. Imagine that! I wouldn't be surprised if after Jesus raised him from the dead Lazarus was able to look at people and know which ones would get to heaven and which would go to hell."
But what the reader has totally forgotten is that all this business about Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead is.....pure fiction. Made up in the fertile minds of the Greek writers who anonymously wrote the gospels 100 years after Jesus was crucified and thus couldn't have known a single thing about what happened on that dusty Bethany road 100 years earlier. But there has to be some modicum of authority to keep your story from descending into total fantasy and so you attach the magic phrase, "According to tradition". Very clever. Let us not forget that we haven't a single word in the historical record about the 12 apostles.
BUT! "According to tradition"....they all went to their deaths believing Jesus had rising from the grave.
Astonishing what people fall for, still even after 2000 years.
But we are talking about sex in heaven.
What does the tradition say? Did Jesus ever had sex?
If not, then those who love and follow Jesus should not have it either.
I mean, no sex in Christian heaven is far fetched, we are talking about no sex in Christianity in this life.
But we are talking about sex in heaven.
What does the tradition say? Did Jesus ever had sex?
If not, then those who love and follow Jesus should not have it either.
I mean, no sex in Christian heaven is far fetched, we are talking about no sex in Christianity in this life.
Well, the thought just occurred to me, if Muslims (the male ones) can get 72 or whatever the number of virgins for their pleasure in heaven, there must be sex in heaven. After all, the Abrahamic religions all believe in the same god, whether they call that entity God, Yahweh, or Allah.
So, indubitably, sex will be in any heaven a religious person can imagine. Settled!
something else which causes your credibility to plummet is if someone says one thing that is a "fact" then it appears you think that everything else they say is also a "fact." huge red flag.
I'm going to use a favorite phrase of my arch-nemesis, Mike555 to conclude this ridiculous exchange:
Complex question... the fun reply is I hope so. Assuming it's my 20ish year old self, hahaha.
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Imagine that! I wouldn't be surprised if after Jesus raised him from the dead Lazarus was able to look at people and know which ones would get to heaven and which would go to hell."
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