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Actually you have it backwards. Faith is knowing something is true but you can't prove it. It doesn't come from con men but from your own knowledge and experience. If you need someone or some place to fortify your faith then you really don't have it.
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Originally Posted by granpa
Faith is believing something that you know isnt true.
Con men (confidence men) use this ability to swindle naive people who don't even realize that such a thing is possible.
We reckon you have it backwards. Faith is believing something is true with no good reason to believe it. And the most pernicious thing about it is that the more reasons are given why they don't have good reasons to believe it, they think that the more they go into denial about it, the more God is pleased with them.
I think faith is something that has to do with a future event that is not in your full control.
You do your research, use your knowledge and intelligence, and form a faith - and then you wait till the time comes and the truth is revealed to you.
Matters of religion and having faith in the existence of God are also synonymous wait and future events - which is the period our lives and the event of our demise.
We reckon you have it backwards. Faith is believing something is true with no good reason to believe it. And the most pernicious thing about it is that the more reasons are given why they don't have good reasons to believe it, they think that the more they go into denial about it, the more God is pleased with them.
Yes, that one is difficult to explain away. He was just a guy who essentially performed a few magic tricks for the crowd. If that's all it takes to make people believe, god should send someone down let's say, once per century. In fact nowadays we could film it all and authenticate they were genuine godly miracles. It shouldn't be hard to do.
As you mature you might begin to discover what Jesus actually did. You can erase all the magic tricks (which I don't believe occurred snyway) and he's no less profound.
....if you know what he actually did.
What was the situation back then and what profound change Jesus caused.
Who says hat DNA happened by chance? It happened for a reason, but not planned. And it isn't a code in the sense of written software. I know why it looks convincing to the believers othering about.
As you mature you might begin to discover what Jesus actually did. You can erase all the magic tricks (which I don't believe occurred snyway) and he's no less profound.
....if you know what he actually did.
What was the situation back then and what profound change Jesus caused.
Well, Jesus allegedly turned water into wine. It's a party trick - magic, so to speak.
I think faith is something that has to do with a future event that is not in your full control.
You do your research, use your knowledge and intelligence, and form a faith - and then you wait till the time comes and the truth is revealed to you.
Matters of religion and having faith in the existence of God are also synonymous wait and future events - which is the period our lives and the event of our demise.
We shall wait and we shall see.
I can live with that. And if most religions did that, I'd find other things to do. But they don't; they battle to maintain as much control over society, education and even politics as they can, and then they fight each other for that control.
If you hold the rather irreligious or even agnostic position you seem to be espousing, you should be with us in fighting to obtain or maintain a level social playing field where everyone can believe (or not) and await whatever happens.
Or at least, not battling those of us who are fighting for our rights and yours to believe what they want.
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