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Old 07-01-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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There is several Greek words for "appear." Which one are you referring to?
you are claiming a person literally rose from the dead. words don't matter.

4 people claiming jesus wasn't there. so he woke up and flew away is the answer you
went with?

my dad died, a couple of my sisters said he spoke to them. Under that kind of stress I have no doubt they saw him. but did he rise from the dead to see them?
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Read the rest of that passage. Paul is talking about a physcal event.
Read the sentence I highlighted. The burial and resurrection was revealed in scripture, that is OT Peshar.

The appearance was experienced, but how? Paul says they experienced Jesus as he did, by revelation. The start of Acts 2 tells us people (perhaps the 500) saw lights, and not a physical Jesus. For that you have to rely on the later gospels.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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It's simple. God played dead for 3 days and then flew away full of life. That's not how it's worded within the faith but that is what allegedly happened. Jesus played a game of "surprise y'all, I'm not dead... Told you I was god".
Jesus was God in flesh and died as a man.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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Jesus was God in flesh and died as a man.
If Jesus was really G-d in flesh, then what did he really sacrifice?...
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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If Jesus was really G-d in flesh, then what did he really sacrifice?...
He was crucified because he was promoting atheism. Jesus's message was the "God" was something that has always existed in man.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:43 AM
 
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Read the sentence I highlighted. The burial and resurrection was revealed in scripture, that is OT Peshar.

The appearance was experienced, but how? Paul says they experienced Jesus as he did, by revelation. The start of Acts 2 tells us people (perhaps the 500) saw lights, and not a physical Jesus. For that you have to rely on the later gospels.
Speculation.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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Paul even calls Jesus an angel in Galatians 4:14. Revelations also calls Jesus an angel.

Hebrews says he was a divine being greater than the angels, and who sacrificed once and once only in a heavenly tabernacle not made by human hands.

I had read some of Carriers arguments and found them possible but not convincing. It was not until I read the epistle to the Hebrews that I stopped believing in a historical Jesus.
Interesting, what in Hebrews did you see that caused this?...
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. So revealed in the Old Testament.

And the Greek for 'appear' can also be used to mean seen in visions, and not as a resurrected man.
Where in the Tanakh is the three days mentioned?...
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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Speculation.
No, that is what your text literally says. Nowhere does Paul say he saw a physically resurrected Jesus.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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Time does not altar truth.



What I posted is not an unsubstantiated opinion. WE have 4 accounts give by men who considered bearing false witness a sin against their God. If only one hare reported it, you might have a point, but all 4 reported it. You have no evidence it did not happen as reported. You don't want to believe it, so you don't.
How do you know for sure that it was these four men who wrote them?...And how do you truly know that these four men considered it a sin to lie for Jesus, Paul didn't?...
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