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Old 08-01-2019, 05:12 PM
 
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Truth.

Truth, like goodness, had nothing to do with it. It was the power of the church to kill unbelievers for so many centuries.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:13 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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I too have not watched the videos, but I have seen his arguments on his web site*, so I will not waste my time with his Youtube videos. His methods are the usual apologetics, nothing more.

* I prefer reading, just in case people use a word or phrase I do not understand.
I don't watch videos either. If you have something you want us to know, just say so in simple English sentences so we can all understand together.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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That a good point about the title, Petunia. Perhaps they should have used "which one(s) are true".
The video offers explains why Christianity can be concluded to be the one true religion. If you've already watched it, let me know something specific that you disagree with or you would like better explained.
Another possibility is that none are true.


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Briefly... If Christianity is true, and Jesus was who He said He was, and Jesus said He was the ONLY way to the Father, then there is only one true religion.

(I'm not expecting this brief explanation to convince you, just to show the basic reasoning that goes into it)
Jesus has no recorded words anyplace except in the Bible. So all of your beliefs regarding Jesus and what he said depend upon the Bible being true. The quotes the Bible attributes to Jesus were written down decades after his lifetime, and not by people who were there when Jesus supposedly said them. Rather, these were oral accounts which had been told and re-told and re-told, for decades, and with some passages of the 4 gospels, far later than that. What reason is there to believe that these accounts are accurate and/or factual? And then there is the problem of the many contradictions in the 4 gospels, both with each other and with other passages in the Bible. How can these writings be accurate while simultaneously contradicting each other?
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Another possibility is that none are true.

Jesus has no recorded words anyplace except in the Bible. So all of your beliefs regarding Jesus and what he said depend upon the Bible being true. The quotes the Bible attributes to Jesus were written down decades after his lifetime, and not by people who were there when Jesus supposedly said them. Rather, these were oral accounts which had been told and re-told and re-told, for decades, and with some passages of the 4 gospels, far later than that. What reason is there to believe that these accounts are accurate and/or factual? And then there is the problem of the many contradictions in the 4 gospels, both with each other and with other passages in the Bible. How can these writings be accurate while simultaneously contradicting each other?
Hi Petunia. Here are a couple good resources that answer some of your questions:

[text] Is the Bible True? The Cumulative Case for the Reliability of the Gospels
https://coldcasechristianity.com/wri...-bible-insert/

[video] Good Reasons to Trust the Gospels As Eyewitness Accounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-t...dDJDYT&index=1
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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Hi Ozzy. I'm curious to hear how you arrived at your current worldview. Thanks.
I grew up in the evangelical church. I got sick of it for a few years, but seeing the darkness outside of it is what really led me back. It's just the people in Bible believing churches, they were the true light which led me out of the darkness.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I grew up in the evangelical church. I got sick of it for a few years, but seeing the darkness outside of it is what really led me back. It's just the people in Bible believing churches, they were the true light which led me out of the darkness.
Thanks for explaining. Yes, there's no shortage of darkness.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Gee, I forgot. This forum is the ultimate authority.
No. Of course it's not. But neither are you.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I don't watch videos either. If you have something you want us to know, just say so in simple English sentences so we can all understand together.
I agree with this. I'm usually not going to watch some video. I have better things to do. But occasionally.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Hi Petunia. Here are a couple good resources that answer some of your questions:

[text] Is the Bible True? The Cumulative Case for the Reliability of the Gospels
https://coldcasechristianity.com/wri...-bible-insert/

[video] Good Reasons to Trust the Gospels As Eyewitness Accounts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-t...dDJDYT&index=1
These good resources make a lot of claims, but offer no facts to support them. I like verifiable facts.

The Cold Case Christianity article claims that the 4 gospels were written by eyewitnesses. This claim contradicts the Bible in Luke 1:1-2, which reads:

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1Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. (NIV)
Now, if Cold Case Christianity cannot even avoid contradicting the very book which they claim to be true, why should I think they are a reliable source of information?
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Canada
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These good resources make a lot of claims, but offer no facts to support them. I like verifiable facts.

The Cold Case Christianity article claims that the 4 gospels were written by eyewitnesses. This claim contradicts the Bible in Luke 1:1-2, which reads:

Now, if Cold Case Christianity cannot even avoid contradicting the very book which they claim to be true, why should I think they are a reliable source of information?
I'm not offering to convince you, just trying to whet your appetite to seek the truth with an open mind. I'm offering some resources that I find helpful. You can easily search out other sources on your own.

If you prefer that Christianity is not true, nothing you encounter will convince you.
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