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It seems clear to me that religionists love to use the loosest possible definition of the concept of a fact, therefore, to answer Tzap's question, preferring to keep facts loosey-goosey makes it more possibly to justify religion.
Taking into consideration all definitions and meanings of words/terms is the best way...then sort it out from there.
Being open-minded (loose) is one thing...but nothing like calling a concept that is a Belief Position, a "lack of Belief".
It seems clear to me that religionists love to use the loosest possible definition of the concept of a fact, therefore, to answer Tzap's question, preferring to keep facts loosey-goosey makes it more possibly to justify religion.
Maybe. Or it is that facts are by nature loosey - goosey. A little humility in the rightness of one’s beliefs, based on those loosey goosey facts, will go a long way towards spiritual awakening and some cheer and goodwill towards all.
Maybe. Or it is that facts are by nature loosey - goosey. A little humility in the rightness of one’s beliefs, based on those loosey goosey facts, will go a long way towards spiritual awakening and some cheer and goodwill towards all.
I don’t need spirituality to be cheerful and extend goodwill to others. On the other hand, all too many are miserable and hostile in the name of God.
Religion isn’t really about facts, and I state that objectively, not judgmentally. There’s a reason why it’s called faith: you’re putting stock in something you can only perceive metaphysically. And it’s totally fine that some people place value in that. I only bristle when others act condescendingly because I personally don’t jive with that. And those smug and ridiculous people deserve to have their smug and ridiculous ideas thrown right in their faces.
I don’t need spirituality to be cheerful and extend goodwill to others. On the other hand, all too many are miserable and hostile in the name of God.
Religion isn’t really about facts, and I state that objectively, not judgmentally. There’s a reason why it’s called faith: you’re putting stock in something you can only perceive metaphysically. And it’s totally fine that some people place value in that. I only bristle when others act condescendingly because I personally don’t jive with that. And those smug and ridiculous people deserve to have their smug and ridiculous ideas thrown right in their faces.
Ouch.
then why the invitation to Ask an Atheist…? in the Religion &Spirituality space if the intention is spiritual assault based on a subjective feeling of being condescended to? who but those interested and into those very things would be asking? if it is an invitation to those who might have an interest in Atheism then would this not get more attention without need to assault in the A&A space? of course anyone can post anywhere. Cheer and goodwill to all.
"Non-belief" is a very narrow and limited category that applies ONLY to those who have NO awareness or knowledge whatsoever about the question. Once they are aware they either have a positive or a negative belief about it based on THEIR existing level of knowledge and awareness. Pretending that you have non-belief once you have the knowledge or awareness and identify as an atheist is just bogus.
Which question are you talking about? Non-belief in gods as opposed to belief in gods is what we are talking about all the time, is it not? It's a little absurd to say that when you know exactly what I mean. Tzaphkiel was being a smarty pants and baiting, she's always baiting. It was in response to her constant need to never address a post in a manner that is like a grown-up. Catch my drift?
What's bogus? That being an atheist is impossible after you've had your mind 'opened' and expanded like you have? You ever spoke in tongues? Now that is faith, man. That's pretty mind-bending and expansion of the mind. If you're delusional. I do not have faith. Just because I say non-belief doesn't mean it's a belief. It's non-belief. You know, not believing. You think your posts make sense but they do not.
I don’t need spirituality to be cheerful and extend goodwill to others. On the other hand, all too many are miserable and hostile in the name of God.
Religion isn’t really about facts, and I state that objectively, not judgmentally. There’s a reason why it’s called faith: you’re putting stock in something you can only perceive metaphysically. And it’s totally fine that some people place value in that. I only bristle when others act condescendingly because I personally don’t jive with that. And those smug and ridiculous people deserve to have their smug and ridiculous ideas thrown right in their faces.
My faith is not blind. It is based on observation and logic.
Maybe. Or it is that facts are by nature loosey - goosey. A little humility in the rightness of one’s beliefs, based on those loosey goosey facts, will go a long way towards spiritual awakening and some cheer and goodwill towards all.
Ouch.
then why the invitation to Ask an Atheist…? in the Religion &Spirituality space if the intention is spiritual assault based on a subjective feeling of being condescended to? who but those interested and into those very things would be asking? if it is an invitation to those who might have an interest in Atheism then would this not get more attention without need to assault in the A&A space? of course anyone can post anywhere. Cheer and goodwill to all.
I am the OP, it doesn't matter what else is being said in the thread about the thread and everyone's 'intentions'. Me, Northsouth......I am telling you that it was my intention to have real discussions and debates. Some of you are here just to argue and fight. Everyone except a few can see that.
So, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. You don't want to know about atheism and atheists but there are 10 more people who WANT to ask questions and read or post about it or tell their story about how they came to their faith or lack thereof.
That's the intention. If you get assaulted by an atheist at least you know they're not praying to a god to strike you dead.
You're going to get attacked here. And it most likely won't be by an atheist unless you're picking a fight.
I am the OP, it doesn't matter what else is being said in the thread about the thread and everyone's 'intentions'. Me, Northsouth......I am telling you that it was my intention to have real discussions and debates. Some of you are here just to argue and fight. Everyone except a few can see that.
So, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. You don't want to know about atheism and atheists but there are 10 more people who WANT to ask questions and read or post about it or tell their story about how they came to their faith or lack thereof.
That's the intention. If you get assaulted by an atheist at least you know they're not praying to a god to strike you dead.
You're going to get attacked here. And it most likely won't be by an atheist unless you're picking a fight.
I have to admit that I don't see it as "picking a fight". I see it as demanding acceptance of their belief. And they have no right to demand that.
My faith is not blind. It is based on observation and logic.
It is blind faith. Observation of what? There is nothing to observe because there is no evidence of a god or gods. And logic......come on. You think believing in something without evidence is logical?
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