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Old 10-25-2008, 09:29 PM
 
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1. We don't live under U.N. law so it isn't a freedom of speech issue in the United States

2. If you are worried about it then you now see why some people in the United States don't want ANY religion to have influence in the government as it seems to corrupt.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:48 PM
 
Location: egypt
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Freedom of speech dude. I mean, Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church has a right to offend 2/3 of America every day...
i thought the subject is about relegions , if it wasn't , so there is no problem , islam gave us the freedom of speech either

you know , you can criticize any government or any country of muslims as you want , but it differ when you insult relegions or prophets

you have all rights to speech freely but without insulting
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Old 10-26-2008, 01:14 AM
 
Location: egypt
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elwill, how can you possibly claim Islam is a religion of peace when people are imprisoned and worse for merely expressing their opinions?
because as a muslims we are not allowed to offense other relegions , though it seems to me that it's allowed by others

dear , sanspeur
after all i'm not against free speech , i'm against insulting relegions .


do you find it free speech when i insult your mother or your sister in newspaper ?
do you find it free speech if someone wrote sort of pornography in newspaper ?

in my country , laws protected me to be insulted by anyone in vain regardless of relegions , it's just and normal law in my sight


answer me by yes or no
is your relegion allows you to insult other relegions ?
is this practise satisfied by jesus ?
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Old 10-26-2008, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Eastern Kentucky
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Ok, Elwill, help me out here. From everything I have read, those who are Islam expect everyone who visits a mainly Islamic country to adhere to the Islamic laws even though we may not be aware of them. In several instances, people who have inadvertantly ,and meaning no disrespect, done things which are not according to Islamic law been imprisoned. Even when they did not realize what they were doing was wrong under your religion. How does the Islamic people feel about and treat people of other faiths?
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Old 10-26-2008, 07:54 AM
 
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I say let the various Religious Pressure Groups and Advocates protest and create as much stir as they want. This will be the final nail in the coffin for them. Wait till Obama or McCain is elected and pressured into this New World Order government. Then you'll see protests the likes of which any of us have ever seen before.
Yep...
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:52 AM
 
Location: egypt
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Ok, Elwill, help me out here. From everything I have read, those who are Islam expect everyone who visits a mainly Islamic country to adhere to the Islamic laws even though we may not be aware of them. In several instances, people who have inadvertantly ,and meaning no disrespect, done things which are not according to Islamic law been imprisoned. Even when they did not realize what they were doing was wrong under your religion. How does the Islamic people feel about and treat people of other faiths?
every country has it laws , i don't think that i will study the laws of every country before i visit it ,but somehow all the humanity are common on determine what is legal and what isn't
so your question make a sense

the problem is in the misconception of shariah law
you think that any law within muslims country is shariah law , though evey muslim country have it's laws which differ than others

shariah law not differ alot than any seculer laws in the earth , the difference in just the type of punishment , but what is illegal in moslems countries is illegal either in your country but in just few issues

shariah law is involve just the high crimes , the rest of laws are local laws which left by the leaders to determine it's punishment
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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Can we assume that these Muslim countries don't allow freedom of speech in the same sense as we have in America? Is that just a shariah law? I don't know a lot about Islam really.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:20 AM
 
Location: egypt
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Can we assume that these Muslim countries don't allow freedom of speech in the same sense as we have in America? Is that just a shariah law? I don't know a lot about Islam really.
if you wanna to consider it shariah law because it's not illegal to insult relegions in islamic countries while it's legal in other nonmuslims countries.
so ,can i then say that united kingdom itself used shariah laws in thier country since 17th century ?

The offence of blasphemy was originally part of canon law. In the 17th century, blasphemy was declared a common law offence by the Court of King's Bench, punishable by the common law courts.
Blasphemy law in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

muslims are very very close to thier relegion , they consider any insult for thier relegion or thier prophet as an insult for them personally

to be honest with you , i consider myself moderate muslims , but when i find someone insult mohammed (pbuh) in vain , i can't prevent my eyes from teardrop as if he insulted me personally
generally , this is the emotions of muslims toward thier prophet and toward thier faith

so that it make a sense when muslims countries prohibit insulting of relegions , particularly islam fear of existence of violence and kill crimes or lacal wars within a country

after all, these kinds of rules protect every relegion not just islam , which make it just
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:24 AM
 
Location: San Salvador, El Salvador
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This is the start of the "Islamification" of the Western industrialized nations. The UN is being used as the vehicle to spread Islam and the Sharia Law to the "infidels" of non-Islamic countries. This is a very dangerous resolution.

FOXNews.com - U.N. Anti-Blasphemy Resolution Curtails Free Speech, Critics Say - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

I'm not a citizen of the U.N., I wish someone from the U.N. would try to knock on my door and enforce their crazy rules on American soil. The Second Amendment is a beautiful thing.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:59 AM
 
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I'm not a citizen of the U.N., I wish someone from the U.N. would try to knock on my door and enforce their crazy rules on American soil. The Second Amendment is a beautiful thing.
Nobody can stop or reverse what is going to take place as far as this one world government. You can fight against it like a aluminum tin foil headed survivalist or bury your head in the sand and pretend that Mother, ApplePie, God, Stars and Stripes will be forever. But whatever you do or do not do won't stop this event from taking place. It'll be the last world power ever to be allowed to promote man-rule over theocracy. So be it.

I see Evangelical Fundamentalism's fight against this being the last straw that breaks the camel's back. They have never promoted God's Kingdom by Christ Jesus as the only solution for mankind, despite their claims to the contrary. What we have seen is their continual prostitution of themselves with government officials as opposed to remained chaste and loyal to the one they claim as their Lord and Savior. If people don't separate themselves soon, it will be to late to seek the God of the Bible.
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