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It would appear that it could get worse for some East Coast. A very cold storm seems to be moving and that should get about midweek and drop temperatures in some areas down into the 20s. New York City is already contemplating having to house 30,000 to 40,000 people if this thing hits. Let's keep our fingers crossed for all that it doesn't happen or at least is far less severe.
For the most part folks did what they had to do and thats why there were only around 50 deaths in a city of millions.
Folks stocked up on food ,water and fueled up way before the storm and thats why we had nothing left after the storm ended.
There will always be a bunch everywhere that test the elements.
The shelters are not known prior as they are set up on the fly where best allocated.
Unlike other areas nyc has a huge amount of homeless to house even before these disasters.
Unlike throwing up a tent in florida the winter in nyc is alot harder to deal with.
For the most part the city is fine except for the gas deliveries.
Other areas that got hit will take a while to recover but one thing new yorkers are getting used to is disasters.
Who is the head "disaster planner" for the city of NY? Why are shelters set up "on the fly"? Why aren't they permanently designated and stocked, with city buses taking mandatory evacuees there from all low lying areas?
Who is the head "disaster planner" for the city of NY? Why are shelters set up "on the fly"? Why aren't they permanently designated and stocked, with city buses taking mandatory evacuees there from all low lying areas?
There is no room there and the price of land is astronomical.
"Hurricane Katrina showed that logistics aren’t mere details; they can mean the difference between life and death. And it furthermore showed (as if New York needed more convincing) that the federal government can’t be counted on to secure our safety....
"Even more problematic is the alarming lack of creativity. After 9/11, everyone focused on planes and airline security. When Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was caught, suddenly there was great urgency about having everyone remove their shoes at the airport-security checkpoints. Everything is always reactive.
“Now the focus will undoubtedly be on hurricane planning,” Redlener says. “We’re always playing catch-up. We’ve got to get over this disaster-du jour mentality and develop the ability to take a broader, overall view, or we will continue to get blindsided....
"State Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, who recently completed a highly critical study of New York’s hurricane evacuation plans, argues, however, that the city’s stated change in approach is little more than lip service. “All they’re thinking about is terrorism,” Brodsky says. “And the net result is that the hurricane plan is embarrassing. The city is as unprepared as FEMA.” (italics added)
“We did a review of the city’s weather-related evacuation plan,” says Assemblyman Brodsky, “and drew the conclusion that the city’s completely unprepared and relying on an outdated, unworkable plan.” (ital added)
“But the most damning thing is they don’t even have a computer model for evacuation,” Brodsky says.
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Well here where I am every elementary, junior high, and high school is a potential shelter, ready to be opened if need be. No extra land needed.
schools being use for shelters for extended periods of time creates major problems that create a domino effect. You are talking potentiall tens of thousands of people and limited rest rooms and probably no shower facilities that are usable.
schools being use for shelters for extended periods of time creates major problems that create a domino effect. You are talking potentiall tens of thousands of people and limited rest rooms and probably no shower facilities that are usable.
Yes you are right, I was comparing apples and oranges. The population density is low where i am and so schools and municipal buildings serve as shelters up to a week at a time or a little more. NY/NJ with their vast population have a humongous challenge. I think however that my bigger point is that these areas have to have an orderly plan of some kind that does the best they can with what they have. Everyone can have access to that plan with evacuation routes and marked shelters online. People should have their own backup plans like many do in the north - like what friend or relative can take you in, and is your car already packed and ready, etc. The huge fly in the ointment of disaster preparedness is gasoline. If that prohibits transportation which is usually does, then people need to learn how to tough it out in place, with checkups on the elderly and infirm. A disaster preparedness course could also be included in the h.s. curriculum as survival is becoming a subject of interest these days.
Yes you are right, I was comparing apples and oranges. The population density is low where i am and so schools and municipal buildings serve as shelters up to a week at a time or a little more. NY/NJ with their vast population have a humongous challenge. I think however that my bigger point is that these areas have to have an orderly plan of some kind that does the best they can with what they have. Everyone can have access to that plan with evacuation routes and marked shelters online. People should have their own backup plans like many do in the north - like what friend or relative can take you in, and is your car already packed and ready, etc. The huge fly in the ointment of disaster preparedness is gasoline. If that prohibits transportation which is usually does, then people need to learn how to tough it out in place, with checkups on the elderly and infirm. A disaster preparedness course could also be included in the h.s. curriculum as survival is becoming a subject of interest these days.
One of the major problems with emergency management of this size and scope is that it involves incorporating people who don't do this within the scope of their normal duty. It assumes people will be available and interested in saving others and performing jobs they normally don't and may have no interest in doing.
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