Why is Oaklands crime rate higher than most? (Los Angeles, San Francisco: high school, gated)

[Senno]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

You're calling Sunset or Potrero small districts? No one who actually lives here would mistake Sunset for anything else besides S.F.

You're definitely from the valley.

Well, Doc. The actual factual is that the city of San Francisco isn't all that much bigger than Fresno and Clovis combined.

Define large for me, please. I'm not finding it in SF.

Yes, Doc. I do tell the truth about where I am. I am in Sunnyside, just outside Fresno proper. Where are you really?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

In the other cities they were priced out, in Oakland they were "crimed" out.

That's statistically impossible.

Oakland, California 2011 Census Bureau Estimate
Families Living in Poverty 17.2%
Families Earning $100,000+ Annually 31.6%
Families neither living in poverty or earning $100,000+ annually: 51.2%

About half of Oakland's families neither live in poverty nor earn above the Bay Area's average family income---in other words they are middle class. I would have thought that someone so dedicated to the plight of the middle class would realize that even within the middle class, there are tiers.

Please do more research before you make comments that are so easily debunked.

[18Montclair]

And aside from the troll-busting we are forced to do on a regular basis, I found something worth mentioning.

All Oakland Families Living in Poverty 17.2%
Married Couple Oakland Families Living in Poverty 8.9%

Strong family units tend to be more stable. Food for thought.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Senno

No I am not. They are still there. Let's go ask em if due to the lower COLA they might consider themselves as middle class. That's your assignment for the day Doc. Interview actual people in Oakland. I can't as I'm in Fresno. Those on the forums tell me they are happy, though. I do assume I'm mostly speaking to middle class people for the most part.

Lower cost of living? You know Oakland actually has a higher COLA than the U.S and California as a whole because of it's location in the Bay Area right?

Here I'll make it easier. Instead of helping you analyze a graph that you don't fully understand, I'll post a poverty map from 2011 that The Bay Citizen posted online, one of the most detailed poverty studies of the area in recent years:



As you can see, the majority of Oakland (the flats) has problems with poverty; Maxwell Park, Fruitvale, all of West Oakland, all of East Oakland, etc.

Notice the only time the poverty problem subsides is in Emeryville (small green strip in the upper left), and once you get to the hills on the east side of 680.

20%+ percent of Oakland's entire population (around 80,000 residents), it UNDER the poverty line.

[Senno]

Relatively lower, Doc. Relatively. We do understand we are speaking about the Bay Area don't we?

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Senno

Well, Doc. The actual factual is that the city of San Francisco isn't all that much bigger than Fresno and Clovis combined.

Define large for me, please. I'm not finding it in SF.

Yes, Doc. I do tell the truth about where I am. I am in Sunnyside, just outside Fresno proper. Where are you really?

The Sunset District has a population of nearly 90,000 people.

That section of the city alone is as big as Clovis by itself!

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Senno

Relatively lower, Doc. Relatively. We do understand we are speaking about the Bay Area don't we?

Exactly my point. So a family making $50,000 in Oakland gets MUCH less than a family making the same money in Fresno.

According to your own graph, Oakland has a higher amount of low income earners than California or the U.S on average.

Get the picture now?

[Senno]

Yeah. There are still middle class in Oakland.

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

The Sunset District has a population of nearly 90,000 people.

That section of the city alone is as big as Clovis by itself!

That's nice for Sunset I guess.

You coming down for Big Hat Days and the Rodeo?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

20%+ percent of Oakland's entire population (around 80,000 residents), it UNDER the poverty line.

That's about the same as Los Angeles, Long Beach, Sacramento and Fresno.

[Senno]

Just to be clear I know that SF's population is about 800k and Oakland 400k.

Fresno and Clovis combined are about 600k or so.