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Old 04-24-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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I don't care if you were talking to me or not - this is a public forum. You posted your response and then THREE MINUTES LATER posted about him not responding. So yes, you did seem to want a response within 3 minutes. I honestly could care less about the Congel/Destiny debacle so I'm not even getting involved in that.

You really are continuing to dig yourself a deeper hole here. I didn't bash you, I stated a fact - you wanted to give up airport safety to save money. Several people gave reasons why that was not in safety's best interest and you continued to rant about the regulations causing problems.

You should educate yourself more before you go on these rants.
I was referring to the first time he replied to me...he had nothing to say and sadly both of you failed to answer any questions I asked...and there simply is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box...the reason why I bring certain issues up such as developing a smarter way of running our airport simply is to get people to start thinking differently and more productively instead of saying there is no hope...Clearly, you're missing my whole point...like I just said...the whole point is FOR PEOPLE TO START THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX....no I'm not yelling, I just hope it catches your eye and you actually read everything I have to say...

as for ACKNIGHT...here are my reasons for why we should support Destiny
1.) project is already underway and is too late to cancel it
2.) if we want so see any return in tax revenue, Destiny USA must be successful
3.) To the best of my knowledge, I highly doubt that any company is willing to move into the Syracuse Area (specifically where destiny is built) and create the number of jobs that the mall will create
4.) it is more than min. wage jobs - many families own their own stores/restaurants at the mall who live in the area and bring in 40-80 thousand a year
5.) there are many managers and assistant managers who make 30-60 thousand a year
6.) If successful, destiny will create anywhere from 2-5 thousand in jobs and will double the amount of sales tax revenue brought in each year
7.) In addition, employees working there will be taxed and stores will be taxed
8.) 2-5 thousand jobs will help bring in outsiders to move to the Syracuse area, will keep people who would normally move out, and will reduce unemployment, welfare, and medical costs that the gov. currently pays for.
9.) along with the 2-5 thousand jobs added, those who are employed at the mall may have families or spouses which will help increase population.
10.) with an increase of population, we will then need more police officers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, landlords, real estate agents, housing, plumbers, electricians, teachers, and more. Which all will help increase our tax revenue by paying property taxes, sales taxes, income/county taxes, fees.

Conclusion - Giving Congel a 30 year tax break isn't so bad after all; why? By decreasing the amount of people on welfare and increasing tax revenue through sales tax, property/county/ school tax; we as a community, will be in a much better position instead of bashing it day in and day out. Sadly, most things do not work out if it is unsupported. Can a politician help your community out without the support of his voters? No! I'd love to read a counterargument instead of reading about how I'm in the wrong. Personally, if you simply just look at one's flaws, instead of looking into his or her point, then simply that person is being ignorant and is showing that he or she has no argument and is wrong. It is somewhat like reading Shakespeare; if we simply read the words he wrote, we would never understand the whole point of his story/ stories. But, it is because we are forced to think outside of the box in order to better understand Shakespeare's main point of the story.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Syracuse
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I didn't get to the planning meeting unfortunately. I always mean to go, as they actually hold the meetings at a decent time. The economic council is notorious for holding their meetings at awful times. The just announced today that there is a meeting this afternoon at 2:30. No one from the public can reasonably be expected to make it to that.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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On the corner of Teall and Erie Boulevard East, it looks like it is cleared and I'm assuming that construction will start some time soon.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:26 PM
 
Location: DeWitt, NY
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as for ACKNIGHT...here are my reasons for why we should support Destiny
1.) project is already underway and is too late to cancel it
2.) if we want so see any return in tax revenue, Destiny USA must be successful
3.) To the best of my knowledge, I highly doubt that any company is willing to move into the Syracuse Area (specifically where destiny is built) and create the number of jobs that the mall will create
4.) it is more than min. wage jobs - many families own their own stores/restaurants at the mall who live in the area and bring in 40-80 thousand a year
5.) there are many managers and assistant managers who make 30-60 thousand a year
6.) If successful, destiny will create anywhere from 2-5 thousand in jobs and will double the amount of sales tax revenue brought in each year
7.) In addition, employees working there will be taxed and stores will be taxed
8.) 2-5 thousand jobs will help bring in outsiders to move to the Syracuse area, will keep people who would normally move out, and will reduce unemployment, welfare, and medical costs that the gov. currently pays for.
9.) along with the 2-5 thousand jobs added, those who are employed at the mall may have families or spouses which will help increase population.
10.) with an increase of population, we will then need more police officers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, landlords, real estate agents, housing, plumbers, electricians, teachers, and more. Which all will help increase our tax revenue by paying property taxes, sales taxes, income/county taxes, fees.
Few if any are truly wishing that it'll be unsuccessful; after all, it'd be far worse to have another vacant structure with little adaptable potential.

90+% of the stores in the existing center, and 100% of those named thus far for the expansion, are chain retailers, not independent businesses. The dominant (numerically) job type will not be managers. There will be plenty of those - yes - but by the numbers far more are part-time retail associate type jobs - which are better than nothing, but far from living wage jobs in most cases.

No one is talking about canceling the expansion or anything further - but you are treating critical thinking about the larger scheme of economic development and how Destiny USA fits into the future of Syracuse as being tantamount to treason - and that is very far from the case.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: DeWitt, NY
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On the corner of Teall and Erie Boulevard East, it looks like it is cleared and I'm assuming that construction will start some time soon.
I saw that the other day too. I hope that the city/state put that block of Erie on the reconstruction list this year...
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Capitol Hill - Washington, DC
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I was referring to the first time he replied to me...he had nothing to say and sadly both of you failed to answer any questions I asked...
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. If YOU read my previous post, you would see that I said I could care less about the Congel/Destiny debacle. So I have no "need" to "answer" you because I honestly don't care.

If you knew anything about airports, which it is clear you don't, it has nothing to do with "thinking outside the box." Go read up on the FAA advisory circulars. They are there for a reason.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Again, missing the whole point of my arguement....IT IS TO INCREASE TAX REVENUE...one more time for you...INCREASE TAX REVENUE...no I'm not yelling, don't get hurt, just want you to read that part....what is the point of increasing tax revenue? To attract companies that will pay high paying jobs, clean our city up, and help pay for expenses.

And I've asked you at least three times, what is a better option specifically for that piece of land? Is there an alternative to destiny USA? The answer is no...we do not have the power nor the money to attract good paying jobs...that is why we need to support this project...if we continuesly (as a community) degrade and do not support the project then the project will simply fail and who will lose out? The tax payers...we just gave him 30 years for no reason...instead as a community we need to support the project and help push this project further so that congel builds a hotel with a casino...then we will have decent paying jobs...yes you're right...there are little to no new tenants who do not own retail or restaurant however a few weeks ago they said the expansion was 65 percent leased, there is no way in hell that only chain stores filled 65 percent of the 1.3 million square feet expansion....more than likely they just haven't announced the mom and pop shops... If this were a politician running for president he simply would've gave up with all the negative Nancy's out there who see this project as a negative thig rather than we can use this to our advantage and maybe help our city out
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. If YOU read my previous post, you would see that I said I could care less about the Congel/Destiny debacle. So I have no "need" to "answer" you because I honestly don't care.

If you knew anything about airports, which it is clear you don't, it has nothing to do with "thinking outside the box." Go read up on the FAA advisory circulars. They are there for a reason.
Well just because the FAA said so doesn't always mean their right...the government once told us it was okay to be racist and clearly that wasn't true...and sometimes we as a society need to be realistic...there are many green areas or untouched areas at the airport where we can easily add windmills or solar panels to help reduce our dependency in hopes that ticket prices would be cheaper...I highly doubt that a plane is going to fly onto a grass field....keep them away from the runway...it's common sense and simple logic... Is there the slightest possibility that a plane might hit a windmill?yes....but is there a better chance of a plane crashing when it's 2000 feet in the air yes...why can we take that risk and not risk putting solar panels or wind turbines out in a grassy field where planes never touch?

Maybe it's the old school way of thinking that has lead to our failure ..maybe people should start thinking realistically and weigh out the odds...and if your old school way of thinking hasn't worked...maybe it's time for a change...maybe that is why our country is in debt...maybe that is why our politicians are corrupt...maybe that is why our healthcare system sucks...maybe that is why our economy sucks...maybe it is because we fail to think outside the box and think preventative instead of thinking of right now...In Vancouver they hand out clean needles to heroin addicts..why? because they want to prevent people from getting aids which in the long run saves them money since they will not need to pay for their healthcare costs..that is the new way of thinking and this is how we as a society should transform to and change in order to better ourselves.

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Old 04-24-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Washington, D.C.
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On the corner of Teall and Erie Boulevard East, it looks like it is cleared and I'm assuming that construction will start some time soon.
Yeah, they've moved a lot of earth around on that site. Looks like there was a good deal on concrete in there at some point.

Preliminary construction has begun on the new law building on the Hill, too. Raynor lot is fenced off and utilities are being relocated.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Washington, D.C.
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I didn't get to the planning meeting unfortunately. I always mean to go, as they actually hold the meetings at a decent time. The economic council is notorious for holding their meetings at awful times. The just announced today that there is a meeting this afternoon at 2:30. No one from the public can reasonably be expected to make it to that.
Most commissions seem to have that problem. Planning Commission is just about the only one I can make; missed it this week, though.
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