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Compared to the 9 million sales that Toyota has? You’ve made my point for me.
What point is that? Toyota's sales are irrelevant to the thread i.e. 'how long can Tesla stay afloat' or to my point re: investors and market projection for the (extremely) hot EV market relative to stricter emission rules, climate change, the pandemic and so on. As EV sales are expected to (continue to) rise globally, of course there would be a simultaneous decline in conventional gas vehicles relative to the aforementioned as well.
Keep in mind you're comparing apples to oranges in terms of age, technology, strategy, market growth/SAM and innovation.
Tesla has made less than 1 million cars since its inception 8 years ago. Toyota sells over 9 million each year. Toyota is mainstream, Tesla is niche. You can have drawn out pointless argument regarding the semantics of each with someone else.
Toyota is mainstream and sells many more vehicles. I don’t think there’s anything to argue there. Toyota isn’t the only brand that’s “mainstream in market share” as you’ve put it, is it? What are all the brands you consider “mainstream in market share” or is it really just Toyota?
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Sure there is, from a market analysis perspective (and relativity to Tesla's market cap or valuation).
There is no argument over Toyota selling more vehicles which is what I specified. If market share is someone’s criteria for what mainstream is, and I’m not saying it is the only criteria, then I don’t think there’s any argument on those grounds that Toyota is mainstream. My question is, what else does Ziggy consider “mainstream in market share.”
Tesla has made less than 1 million cars since its inception 8 years ago. Toyota sells over 9 million each year. Toyota is mainstream, Tesla is niche. You can have drawn out pointless argument regarding the semantics of each with someone else.
Not that it really matters but you continue to put out bad info, you can't seem to bother to ensure your data is accurate. Tesla has made more than a million vehicles, they made a big deal about it maybe 6 months ago. Also Tesla inception was July, 2003, 17 years ago and Tesla started producing Roadsters in 2008, 12 years ago. Model S has been in production since 2012.
Implying less demand due to reduced registrations fails to take into account that production was shut down by the state of CA for half of the quarter so less cars built to register.
Not that it really matters but you continue to put out bad info, you can't seem to bother to ensure your data is accurate. Tesla has made more than a million vehicles, they made a big deal about it maybe 6 months ago. Also Tesla inception was July, 2003, 17 years ago and Tesla started producing Roadsters in 2008, 12 years ago. Model S has been in production since 2012.
Implying less demand due to reduced registrations fails to take into account that production was shut down by the state of CA for half of the quarter so less cars built to register.
Tesla’s best markets are always it’s newest markets. When it becomes old hat, they move to a new market to make it seem like the momentum never stops. Problem, is there’s a finite number of markets.
There is no argument over Toyota selling more vehicles which is what I specified. If market share is someone’s criteria for what mainstream is, and I’m not saying it is the only criteria, then I don’t think there’s any argument on those grounds that Toyota is mainstream. My question is, what else does Ziggy consider “mainstream in market share.”
Tesla sells one type of vehicle...EV’s. Mainstream automakers sell everything from EV’s to hybrid’s to diesels. Hence they have more to offer a much broader market. Tesla is not a competitor to Toyota. Tesla might have a car that competes with a specific Toyota model, but otherwise the companies themselves are not direct competitors.
Tesla sells one type of vehicle...EV’s. Mainstream automakers sell everything from EV’s to hybrid’s to diesels. Hence they have more to offer a much broader market. Tesla is not a competitor to Toyota. Tesla might have a car that competes with a specific Toyota model, but otherwise the companies themselves are not direct competitors.
You said “mainstream in market share.” That being said, that basic premise seems odd. People do cross-shop among different powertrains as their budgets generally don’t have separate buckets for each powertrain. What is the mainstream in market share threshold you’re talking about here? Surely it can’t just be Toyota could it?
Six pages of posts and everybody seems to have missed the right answer--"As long as the govt contracts, tax breaks and subsides keep coming."...
Notice that Musk doesn't get involved in anything that doesn't have that built in profit safety net under it.
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