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Old 06-10-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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Because I guess Jay has British/Irish DNA, ancestry and he has an interest and connection with the Uk; is no different to an African American sharing a deep interest, love and connection to an African culture. DNA and a love of a culture are definitely connected otherwise we are all just goldfish.
But African-Americans in general do not have a deep interest, love, and connection to African culture, but far more to British culture. If given a choice of only London or Accra, most African-Americans would choose London. DNA matters hardly at all.
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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I have not experienced a burglary or attempted burglary, neither has anybody in my family, nor any of my close friends, as a boy I remember some pikeys turned up and nicked a neighbours lawn mower from their shed but that's about it, I don't know anybody that has been mugged apart from one of my old teachers at school and he was mugged in the US (that doesn't make me stupid enough to claim that everybody gets mugged in the US either). Gun crime is not just statistically 'rarer' in the UK than the US its HUGELY SUBSTANTIALLY rarer, there are literally thousands of people shot to death in the US every year its actually a shocking statistic yet we are still supposed to believe that its 'safer' on the streets there than here?
Yes it is safer for the vast majority of people, because most gun crime only affects a very narrow demographic.

America does have a gun problem. Does it directly affect most law-abiding citizens? No. I've known hundreds of people in the US over the course of 11 years and not a single one has been shot.

Also, looking at the US as a whole is utterly ridiculous because it varies wildly even just in small cities, let alone different states. You're more likely to be shot dead in Manchester than you are in Gilbert, Arizona, for instance. But you're going to tell me that just because a person living in Gilbert is living in the US that they're less safe?

You yourself have said that you've never been the victim of crime, despite living in a country with a relatively high crime rate. So why shouldn't the same apply in the US?
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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I have seen Guns drawn in a little petrol station in Townsville North Carolina over an argument over the price of a pack of cigarettes. My wife used to work in a supermarket and the jilted boyfriend of my wifes colleague decided to shoot his ex and a few of her workmates. I watch the local new here in North Carolina and their are shootings every day. I dont remember any of that in Dorset.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Yes it is safer for the vast majority of people, because most gun crime only affects a very narrow demographic.

America does have a gun problem. Does it directly affect most law-abiding citizens? No. I've known hundreds of people in the US over the course of 11 years and not a single one has been shot.

Also, looking at the US as a whole is utterly ridiculous because it varies wildly even just in small cities, let alone different states. You're more likely to be shot dead in Manchester than you are in Gilbert, Arizona, for instance. But you're going to tell me that just because a person living in Gilbert is living in the US that they're less safe?

You yourself have said that you've never been the victim of crime, despite living in a country with a relatively high crime rate. So why shouldn't the same apply in the US?


I agree, but you're wasting your time. That poster ignores reality, posts that don't support their argument, and focuses purely on their own opinions.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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I have seen Guns drawn in a little petrol station in Townsville North Carolina over an argument over the price of a pack of cigarettes. My wife used to work in a supermarket and the jilted boyfriend of my wifes colleague decided to shoot his ex and a few of her workmates. I watch the local new here in North Carolina and their are shootings every day. I dont remember any of that in Dorset.
Maybe because Townsville is in area of the US with a very high crime rate? It's just north of Henderson, which has a higher violent crime rate than Chicago and New York combined.

Although it should be noted that the total crime rate in Dorset is twice as high as New York (46 vs 22 per 1000 people) so it's hardly a utopia either.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Actually its not an issue if they were being disruptive. It seems now that police over there can't touch a black person before we hear crying and whinning.

Thats BAD, it's like black people cry wolf at the ity bity things. And yes its similar here, you can't say anything constantly playing the victim.

I disagree with this completely. That cop is totally out of control, and a danger to society (the complete opposite of what cops are actually for). The question international observers will ask is "why can't a cop control or respond to a minor disturbance without waving a gun around"? Cops in every other developed country manage to handle things without threatening to blow someone's head off right?

Not all cops are bad. Most do a courageous and dangerous job. This particular guy is a tool that should be off the force pronto.
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Old 06-10-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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I have not experienced a burglary or attempted burglary, neither has anybody in my family, nor any of my close friends, as a boy I remember some pikeys turned up and nicked a neighbours lawn mower from their shed but that's about it, I don't know anybody that has been mugged apart from one of my old teachers at school and he was mugged in the US (that doesn't make me stupid enough to claim that everybody gets mugged in the US either).
Then you my friend must be incredibly lucky or living in isolation. In your entire existence you personally do not know anyone who was burgled ever, that's what you're saying, no one mugged or assaulted in the UK either. I don't know how that possible, given I've lived in the North East, South West, South East, and London in England, and every few weeks to a month I'd hear about someone being rolled, or burgled.

However assuming you're correct, it goes to prove how personal experience and anecdote is not a good basis for evaluating anything important. You have to look at numbers, and look at general numbers not focus on any specific aspect.

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Gun crime is not just statistically 'rarer' in the UK than the US its HUGELY SUBSTANTIALLY rarer, there are literally thousands of people shot to death in the US every year its actually a shocking statistic yet we are still supposed to believe that its 'safer' on the streets there than here?
So what? It's also hugely substantially rarer than the risk of being killed in a car accident, does that mean you don't drive? Sure the US has higher gun crime rates, because we have more guns owned by the population, more guns means more chances to commit acts which are prohibited, like carrying a loaded firearm in a car in certain states not because someone plans on using it, but just coming back from a shooting range.

As far as being safer, in 2010 Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire had lower homicide rates than London (London was 1.5/100,000), so yes in those places it is indeed safer (from a homicide perspective) than London. In that year New Hampshire had the same homicide rate as the UK too (1.0/100,000). So like anywhere else it depends on where you live.
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Old 06-10-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: London, NYC & LA
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Then you my friend must be incredibly lucky or living in isolation. In your entire existence you personally do not know anyone who was burgled ever, that's what you're saying, no one mugged or assaulted in the UK either. I don't know how that possible, given I've lived in the North East, South West, South East, and London in England, and every few weeks to a month I'd hear about someone being rolled, or burgled.

However assuming you're correct, it goes to prove how personal experience and anecdote is not a good basis for evaluating anything important. You have to look at numbers, and look at general numbers not focus on any specific aspect.



So what? It's also hugely substantially rarer than the risk of being killed in a car accident, does that mean you don't drive? Sure the US has higher gun crime rates, because we have more guns owned by the population, more guns means more chances to commit acts which are prohibited, like carrying a loaded firearm in a car in certain states not because someone plans on using it, but just coming back from a shooting range.

As far as being safer, in 2010 Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire had lower homicide rates than London (London was 1.5/100,000), so yes in those places it is indeed safer (from a homicide perspective) than London. In that year New Hampshire had the same homicide rate as the UK too (1.0/100,000). So like anywhere else it depends on where you live.
For the first time I am seeing Gungnir going off topic... LOL

I still think the US is more violent especially in the real bad neighborhoods. Almost every year a poor Brit winds up dead because he or she decided to take a stroll in the wrong part of town..
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Old 06-10-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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For the first time I am seeing Gungnir going off topic... LOL

I still think the US is more violent especially in the real bad neighborhoods. Almost every year a poor Brit winds up dead because he or she decided to take a stroll in the wrong part of town..
Much like the two British guys in Sarasota Florida a couple of years ago.
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Old 06-10-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: London, NYC & LA
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Much like the two British guys in Sarasota Florida a couple of years ago.
Yup I remember that one...
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