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For the first time I am seeing Gungnir going off topic... LOL
Don't sass the mod, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
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Originally Posted by nograviti
I still think the US is more violent especially in the real bad neighborhoods. Almost every year a poor Brit winds up dead because he or she decided to take a stroll in the wrong part of town..
In real bad neighborhoods it's more violent regardless of location. Tourists and visitors are already at heightened risk because they don't know the bad neighborhoods, and their presence helps to create a crime issue (consider Trafalgar Square's petty crime issues). There also seems to be a sharper boundary in US cities between decent areas and bad areas. So going a couple of blocks too far in one direction or the other can lead you into a place you really don't want to be.
However that said, the real bad neighborhoods are not everywhere, and there are places in the UK that are more dangerous than places the US, and places in the US that are more dangerous than places the UK.
All I can say is that I've not experienced any crime in the US, but I did in the UK, if you remove homicides from the equation the crime rate in the US is better than the UK, and anyone from the US knows that homicides in bad areas are the primary cause of the US high homicide rate (in comparison to Europe).
For the first time I am seeing Gungnir going off topic... LOL
I still think the US is more violent especially in the real bad neighborhoods. Almost every year a poor Brit winds up dead because he or she decided to take a stroll in the wrong part of town..
It doesn't matter what you "think". Facts are facts for everybody.
It doesn't matter what you "think". Facts are facts for everybody.
Crime is reported differently in both countries. A reported violent crime in England, wouldn't necessarily be reported as a violent crime in the US.
My wife has American friends in our area, and there are plenty others, and all of them would agree that this is a much safer place than the cities they lived.
Obviously this doesn't reflect entire populations either, but my personal experiences of the US make me believe that I live in a better place.
Don't sass the mod, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
In real bad neighborhoods it's more violent regardless of location. Tourists and visitors are already at heightened risk because they don't know the bad neighborhoods, and their presence helps to create a crime issue (consider Trafalgar Square's petty crime issues). There also seems to be a sharper boundary in US cities between decent areas and bad areas. So going a couple of blocks too far in one direction or the other can lead you into a place you really don't want to be.
However that said, the real bad neighborhoods are not everywhere, and there are places in the UK that are more dangerous than places the US, and places in the US that are more dangerous than places the UK.
All I can say is that I've not experienced any crime in the US, but I did in the UK, if you remove homicides from the equation the crime rate in the US is better than the UK, and anyone from the US knows that homicides in bad areas are the primary cause of the US high homicide rate (in comparison to Europe).
I shall be careful, but I agree when you compare crime stats which can only be roughly compared between say NY and London, on all measures except for murder London has often been worse.
That may have changed with the recent spike in crime under de blasio.
But in all major cities as a trend, crime is falling...
Comparing being "verbally abused" and "being shot to death" is not really part of the discussion here. You have seen the crime stats right? They are higher in the UK - that is a fact that you can't get away from. Some may argue that violent crime is recorded differently, but even when you make the adjustments you are still more likely to be beaten, raped or a victim of burglary in the UK than the US.
Both myself and the other poster (and I am sure others on here too) can tell you from living in both countries that we "feel" safer in the US, and (may) have experienced more crime in the UK than the US. Now, nobody in their right mind is going to argue that gun related crime is not a problem in the US, but unless you have lived in both places, or can accept the stats then you are not being honest in your argument.
I would argue that British society is more "aggressive" than American society for the average person, and certainly in my experience. That may not make sense to you, but the other posters who have lived in both places will know what I am talking about.
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Originally Posted by Dean York
Crime is reported differently in both countries. A reported violent crime in England, wouldn't necessarily be reported as a violent crime in the US.
My wife has American friends in our area, and there are plenty others, and all of them would agree that this is a much safer place than the cities they lived.
Obviously this doesn't reflect entire populations either, but my personal experiences of the US make me believe that I live in a better place.
Just to clarify; I had acknowledged that earlier. Violent crime is still higher in the UK even when you include like for like comparisons.
England and Wales, produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people. The United States was a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the ones often cited
More similar to the USA superficially but more similar to the Netherlands, Germany, Ireland (obviously), Northern France and Denmark on a deeper level.
I agree, but you're wasting your time. That poster ignores reality, posts that don't support their argument, and focuses purely on their own opinions.
The reality is that thousands of people in the US are shot to death every year.......thousands, that means that thousands of family members also suffer, if you think that is trivial then I really don't know what to say! I don't suggest that 'everybody' in the US is in imminent danger of being gunned down but by the same token to suggest that you can't go out for a drink in the UK without being 'spat at' is equally as ludicrous.
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