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The EU has been stubbornly niggly and they are stil totally ignoring that they are going to lose much when GB leaves that con game lot over the Channel. The EU cannot get it's books cleared and even a place like Germany that virtually runs the EU will lose financially when we leave the club.
But the U.K., really does, or it would just say, OK...no change in the border arrangement. It wants an arrangement where customs, etc. begin at the border of NI, just as they do at the other borders of the U.K. In no way will they allow NI to be treated in a different manner than other parts of the E.U.
And it is just as clear that the EU is not going to allow the Irish Republic to be treated in a manner different from other member countries and their borders once the split takes place.
Both entities could just "wink" and let the RoI/NI border stay as is, but there are going to be too many legalists/nationalists/and various and assorted whatevers who will raise fits about such a quiet arrangement on both sides.
The UK says NI is an integral part of the UK and must be treated the same as the rest. And the EU is saying the Republic of Ireland is an integral part of the EU and must the treated the same way as the rest. How can there not be an impasse? But everyone seems very edgy about what this kind of even-Steven we-won't-budge attitude will do to the Good Friday Agreement.
Well not really let me explain.
Suppose you have several neighbours, and things are a bit tense, because their dogs come onto your lawn and do what dogs do, and their kids balls always end up in your trees, and greenhouse.
You want to get a fence that runs around your property line. However you and one neighbour have an agreement that they can cross into your property, as you can theirs for various reasons.
Now during discussions this comes up, and you're offered all or nothing solutions, either you fit a perimeter, you can't have one or you can fun that fence around the transit area you agreed with the neighbour. Firstly that would kinda P you off no end, However it would not help the situation to just tell everyone to go to hell and fit a fence blocking all but the neighbour you have an agreement with during discussions on who's paying.
Sure this is a stare off between the UK and EU, but I don't think that the EU care one iota about the NI/RoI border issue, they have their rules and really aren't interested in the historical and cultural issues about that border. Even though the UK in general probably don't care much either, at least the UK is arguing that there's an issue.
Sure this is a stare off between the UK and EU, but I don't think that the EU care one iota about the NI/RoI border issue, they have their rules and really aren't interested in the historical and cultural issues about that border. Even though the UK in general probably don't care much either, at least the UK is arguing that there's an issue.
I agree. The EU are just using the Irish border issue as a big stick to beat us with. I noticed how keen they seem on extending the time period of us continuing to pay into their coffers well into 2021. Plus, no longer being members of the EU, we would lose benefits like the negotiated rebate. In other words, we would end up paying even more than we are now. Boy, what a sweet deal. Tusker and Juncker must be salivating at the thought.
I believe they think the longer they string us along, the more likely things could change politically in their favour. They think an election is possible, and they could be dealing with a very different British government. One more likely to call a second referendum. They don't care about the unrest such an event would cause here. A lot of people would feel cheated, and even more disillusioned with politicians.
I'm still not sure if they understand the anger in parts of the UK caused by this never ending immigration. I think some of our politicians do understand this, and realise it has to be slowed to levels that the country can cope with. The EU refuse to listen, which is why Brexit went the way it did. This unrest is growing, and there will be consequences if this festering issue isn't addressed.
What is the acceptable solution for Irish Border problem for those people who support Brexit ?
1) Leave the Border as it is now ?
2) Check-post with Immigration staff checking papers, ID, Visas for everyone?
3) Trade Deal for movement of Goods between Ireland and Northern Ireland? Free movement of Goods/Cargo?
4) Free movement of Irish and British citizens but check papers for everyone else ?
5) Border Fence across all the Border ?
6) Loose Border like between USA and Canada ? No Fence but checkposts are there. Train / bus travel will get delayed like what they have between those two countries.
7) Common travel Area for British / Irish but EU citizens movement and work rights subject to new rules.
Last edited by munna21977; 10-19-2018 at 05:18 AM..
The EU has been stubbornly niggly and they are stil totally ignoring that they are going to lose much when GB leaves that con game lot over the Channel. The EU cannot get it's books cleared and even a place like Germany that virtually runs the EU will lose financially when we leave the club.
so you reckon the EU stands to loose more than GB by the uk leaving that 500 million people trading block ?
so you reckon the EU stands to loose more than GB by the uk leaving that 500 million people trading block ?
If you look at EU economies percentage trade with the UK compared to the rest of the world. Then look at the UK economies percentage trade with the EU compared to the RoW. The impact to UK trade is less than a lot of EU countries. The UKs economy is a LOT less reliant on the EU than the majority of European countries (Germany excepted). Doesn't matter there are 500 million Europeans, there are 6.5B non-Europeans to trade with.
If you look at EU economies percentage trade with the UK compared to the rest of the world. Then look at the UK economies percentage trade with the EU compared to the RoW. The impact to UK trade is less than a lot of EU countries. The UKs economy is a LOT less reliant on the EU than the majority of European countries (Germany excepted). Doesn't matter there are 500 million Europeans, there are 6.5B non-Europeans to trade with.
hope it works out , im just thinking allowed about the possible outcome .
Can I say irish_bob you are overlooking the hard truthful fact that Europe will lose hundreds of millions and that trading empire Germany knows that in car sales they will lose massive sums as well. You are overlooking that. On top of that the EU will have to bump up their membership fees to their clique just to make up for us getting out. We however have already been told by the big trading council in the Far east that they will warmly welcome an association with them and the USA is saying the same thing. .
Can I say irish_bob you are overlooking the hard truthful fact that Europe will lose hundreds of millions and that trading empire Germany knows that in car sales they will lose massive sums as well. You are overlooking that. On top of that the EU will have to bump up their membership fees to their clique just to make up for us getting out. We however have already been told by the big trading council in the Far east that they will warmly welcome an association with them and the USA is saying the same thing. .
i admire your certainty in everything going exactly according to the brexiteers playbook .
i suppose a main of faith must have faith at the end of the day .
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